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Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by Barrin92 on Thursday August 15, 2019 @12:59PM (#20707105)
>Now, how would you know? What steps would you take to that you suspect these people did not?

Hire two or three ML people for the VC firm and have them audit the company's code. Anyone with some engineering experience is going to be able to tell if the company just shows you random tensorflow code or has actual data and a codebase.

With all these blockchain and AI mumbo-jumbo companies it would probably be a good idea to have more tech workers around rather than just business types.

Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by tguedes on Thursday August 15, 2019 @05:21PM (#20709780)
Why would a company allow a VC firm that they haven't received money from allow the VC firm to audit their code? Seems like a recipe for disaster.
Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by pbiggar on Thursday August 15, 2019 @05:56PM (#20710098)
Investments goes through "due diligence" between signing a term sheet and closing. During this time, the VC gets to look at the company's financials, legal liabilities, and all the other stuff that they don't get to look at before then.

On the engineering side, it's common for investors to ask for a list of software vendors and open source licenses. It would seem pretty legit to me for an investor to ask an outside firm to audit whether a product's code matches what they claim during the pitch.

Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by tyre on Thursday August 15, 2019 @05:56PM (#20710103)
for the same reason any company accepts due diligence: they won't get the investment if they don't accept.

Of course all of these are negotiable and not all investors do their due diligence, but it is in a well-performing VC's interest to do so.

Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by Roboprog on Thursday August 15, 2019 @05:56PM (#20710101)
I don’t know how common it is.

All I know is that I had a short gig last year to do a code review on a potential acquisition, so this can happen at least sometime.

This was for a much smaller product, though.

Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by omarhaneef on Thursday August 15, 2019 @01:10PM (#20707241)
That is scenario #1. What about scenario #2?
Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by xamuel on Thursday August 15, 2019 @01:26PM (#20707411)
Although I haven't quite cured cancer yet, I'm optimistic that if you give me a billion dollars I'll find a cure for cancer. So can I please have a billion dollars?
Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday August 15, 2019 @04:47PM (#20709493)
Sometimes the answer has to be yes, right? Otherwise how can you ever do something expensive which hasn't been done before?
Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by qroshan on Thursday August 15, 2019 @02:22PM (#20708104)
Good VCs almost never fund the idea, but the team. So, if Atul Gawande comes up and ask that question, he most surely will get it
Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by rficcaglia on Thursday August 15, 2019 @01:19PM (#20707349)
> very optimistic about their chances, and about their ability

this is the very definition of due diligence...you don't take their opinions as fact. to answer how:

* meet with their senior engineers * review code * talk to former colleagues * talk to former professors * review any academic papers, blogs, github repos * talk to customers or MVP users

If you don't have the first hand ability to directly evaluate their AI technology, or an extended network who can assist, you should not be investing in AI startups.

Re:AI startup claims to automate app making but actually jus... by Barrin92 on Thursday August 15, 2019 @01:20PM (#20707359)
well if they aren't lying and the investors have an accurate picture of what the company is actually up to then there's no problem, that's how venture capital is supposed to work, VC investment is always risky.

But there's an increasingly large amount of companies that are purely selling snakeoil that is way beyond any sort of grey area. You just need to look at the infosec scene.