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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by tyingq on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:21PM (#20691584)
"suppose all those lookalikes will be pulled out and have their serial numbers checked"

I can almost guarantee the TSA will invest zero dollars or time into deciding which MacBooks are okay. This is Apple's problem to solve. Zero time, money or attention from the TSA or the airlines will be invested. If the FAA bans any Macbooks, all "Apple looking thingies" will be effectively banned.

Source: 3 decades of govt and airline experience.

Advice: Buy a Dell sticker to cover the apple logo on your MacBook. Or some similarly silly thing like an "Apple Store FAA compliant sticker" program. (I'm linking back to this comment later when it happens :)

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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by fortran77 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:51PM (#20692056)
Might a passenger, properly warned, be liable if he brings a banned laptop on the plane anyway and it catches on fire?
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @07:37AM (#20694427)
They absolutely should be criminally liable for risking the lives of everyone on board because they won't take a different laptop, or none, with them.

If the search is only 5% effective then the deterrent needs to be something you wouldn't risk a 5% chance of happening, year in prison, or a fine of 2 times your average annual income seems about right?

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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by adrianN on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @08:57AM (#20695022)
You mean something like dying a fiery death because your laptop caught fire on a plane?
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by kd0amg on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @10:30AM (#20695906)
That's a lot rarer than a 5% chance. If 5% of these laptops exploded every few hours, there wouldn't be many of them left by now.
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by adrianN on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @11:54AM (#20696824)
If the actual negative effects are a lot rarer than 5%, then the expected punishment should probably also be lighter.
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by dave5104 on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:56PM (#20692073)
I don't think OP was implying that. There are Macbooks that look identical in appearance to the affected devices but are perfectly fine.
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by nikofeyn on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @01:47PM (#20698015)
> I can almost guarantee the TSA will invest zero dollars or time into deciding which MacBooks are okay. This is Apple's problem to solve. Zero time, money or attention from the TSA or the airlines will be invested.

how is it apple's problem then? by the way you've described things, it doesn't seem like it's anybody's problem. it could be a marketing problem for apple, but it doesn't seem like they care about those anyway.

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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by tyingq on Wednesday August 14, 2019 @01:58PM (#20698154)
That's what I mean. It's a public image / marketing problem if the TSA starts blanket banning apple laptops.
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Re:FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights by tyingq on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:03PM (#20692110)
It's not that clear. What the FAA bans does influence the TSA list of what they check for. Also, I did specifically mention airlines.

Or do you really think this list (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...) wasn't influenced by the FAA? Note quotes like "For more information, see FAA regulation: 49 CFR 175.10(a)(4)."

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