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Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by pfdietz on Monday August 12, 2019 @06:18PM (#20680672)
Allowing countries to decide what to ban is just saying that ag goods are exempt from free trade.

Why should the US put up with this? We have a natural advantage in agriculture, with very high productivity.

If you're against free trade, ok, but that's going to apply to European exports of all kinds. And if the trade motivation for links with Europe goes away, so does the motivation for defending Europe via NATO. NATOxit (NATOff? NATOut?) would cost Europe enormously.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by mcculley on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:35AM (#20684340)
You argue that sovereign states should not be allowed to regulate what gets put into food? Should our FDA have no regulation authority over food?

We certainly should have free trade for fungible goods and services. Anything we permit to be made and sold internally we should permit to be imported. But we should have the power to regulate hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides in food and we should respect the decisions of other countries to regulate what they permit in their food.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by pfdietz on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:09AM (#20684557)
You seem to be against treaties of any kind, which by their nature put limits on the behavior of sovereign states.

I strongly reject the idea that food is somehow exempt. This is moral posturing and, like the noxious and genocidal anti-GMO position, is being used as a cloak for frank protectionism by ag interests that would be destroyed by superior overseas competition.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by mcculley on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:47AM (#20684793)
> You seem to be against treaties of any kind,

Not at all. I am reticent to tell others what they should do within their own borders. Treaties regarding external interactions are important.

> This is moral posturing

It is not posturing to prefer that I not have to personally vet the provenance of everything I buy in the grocery store. We know what happens when there is insufficient regulation of food. You get melamine in infant formula because it boosted somebody's profit margin.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by pfdietz on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:02AM (#20684891)
Trade in ag goods is an external interaction.

Anyway, what trade treaties require is that health regulations have a rational basis, not be merely pretexts for protectionism. Too much of what I see from Europe is the latter, not the former.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by mcculley on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @08:25AM (#20685075)
How would preventing the import of melamine tainted milk be an external interaction? Should all states be required to sell poisoned milk from China?
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by pfdietz on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @09:09AM (#20685423)
Did you not read my second paragraph? I think you're not interested in honest debate here.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by mcculley on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:12AM (#20685992)
Why would you imply that I didn't read your full comment? Of course I did.

You have not made to me a compelling case that a legitimate concern over what one allows into one's food supply is an external interaction.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by ahartmetz on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @02:38AM (#20683333)
The US are also banning some food that isn't banned in EU. Now what - should European countries leave NATO about it?
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by pfdietz on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:10AM (#20684560)
Of course not, since the cost to Europe would be enormous. As a US taxpayer, I wish you would.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by Glawen on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @02:56PM (#20689074)
As a french taxpayer, i wish my country would leave as well, it was the second worst decision from sarkozy (first one being Lybia invasion).
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by makapuf on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @02:51AM (#20683383)
France has indeed been out of NATO from 1966 to 2009 due to disapproval of US hegemony.