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Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by cowmix on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:35PM (#20677027)
Where are you located? The Chevy Bolt is being offered with pretty good incentives. Between those prices, gas savings, etc. Getting a Bolt might make sense.
Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by Someone1234 on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:42PM (#20677141)
It starts at $36,620 and has up to $3,750[0] in federal tax credits. Making it a $30K+ Subcompact non-luxury vehicle. It doesn't make sense.

[0] https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by d1zzy on Monday August 12, 2019 @01:36PM (#20677796)
It used to be much higher tax credit, if you purchased an EV a while back in CA you got around $10k total (federal + state) tax credits which was VERY significant (it explains why you can find very cheap second hand EVs, the 10k credit is already accounted for in the second hand pricing).

It's the general high price of new EVs that kept me away from buying one when I was in the market last year, I'm also the type that likes to pay for their car in cash. But second hand EVs are definitely a very intriguing choice for a second/commute-only car. You can get $7k electric Smart for very low mileage (under 10k).

Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by freehunter on Monday August 12, 2019 @01:39PM (#20677833)
For comparison, you can get a Certified Pre-Owned BMW 3-series for similar money.

At that price point you need to be buying the car specifically because it's electric, not because it's a good value.

Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by flavoie on Monday August 12, 2019 @02:20PM (#20678291)
If you add up yearly fuel cost (with real number you make, not the official one), maintenance cost ($ and time wasted). Not sure it hold true.

With my commute, suburban+urban with high traffic. Definitely not true. The bolt will be way cheaper.

It will be also quicker, even if it was not meant to be.

Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by ben7799 on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:16PM (#20678856)
A bolt vs a 3-series is probably the same situation as the detailed comparisons we've seen from limo operators comparing the Tesla Model S vs MB S-class, BMW 7-series, Lincoln Town car, etc.. In those comparisons the Tesla proved to be 1/5-1/4 the maintenance cost per 100,000 miles.

Nobody buys a BMW in the US for good value when you factor in maintenance costs & overall TCO. The only reason you buy one is cause you like the driving dynamics. That's a perfectly fine reason IMO.

It doesn't seem there are any limo operators who are going to operate a Bolt and rapidly drive it to 400k-500k miles to find out just how reliable it is. But I really suspect a Chevy could be less of a hassle to maintain than a Tesla.. since GM is a much more established manufacturer and has a long built out dealer/service network it's hard for me to believe it could be worse than Tesla.

Re:GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles by prolepunk on Monday August 12, 2019 @02:52PM (#20678605)
Yes, but you will end up with a used BMW 3-series.