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Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by vorpalhex on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:52AM (#20675920)
If your local means of production means either forcing other people to buy it, or keeping the price of food artificially inflated, maybe your local means of production isn't real great.

This isn't the mafia killing a shop owner for not buying them. This is your customer leaving because they don't like your prices.

You don't get to force people to do business with you.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by lm28469 on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:03PM (#20676684)
> keeping the price of food artificially inflated, maybe your local means of production isn't real great.

Really makes you think about how Europe did for thousands of years before our great American saviors helped us. Local food wasn't expensive before globalisation, talk to your grandparents you'll see how different things were not so long ago.

> This is your customer leaving because they don't like your prices.

You do understand that when the market is not flooded with cheap subsidised alternatives that issue doesn't exist ? Fresh/local products were not a niche market a few decades ago, it was simply all that was available. You didn't have to buy cheap bananas from costa rica because you simply didn't have access to bananas, so you bought local apples &c. you couldn't buy cheap beef from the US because all the meat available was local and priced so that people could afford it.

> You don't get to force people to do business with you.

But apparently you get to say "Accept our subpar products or we will make you pay!", and I genuinely fail to see the difference in practice. If this isn't some form of abuse of authority I don't know what it is.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by tpush on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:20PM (#20678892)
>> keeping the price of food artificially inflated, maybe your local means of production isn't real great. >Really makes you think about how Europe did for thousands of years before our great American saviors helped us. Local food wasn't expensive before globalisation, talk to your grandparents you'll see how different things were not so long ago.

So what? French consumers choosing American import meat over locally sourced meat is not America's fault. The parent's point totally stands, whether you like it or not. If French consumers have a choice between locally sourced meat and imported American one, and the majority buys the latter, then that's obviously on the French.

I mean, think what the alternative even means: The majority of French consumers would choose American meat, yet a minority of French farmers would rather disallow their own people to have a choice. If these farmers are so integral to French society, then surely that same society would buy locally sourced meat. But they apparently wouldn't/don't.

>> You don't get to force people to do business with you. >But apparently you get to say "Accept our subpar products or we will make you pay!", and I genuinely fail to see the difference in practice. If this isn't some form of abuse of authority I don't know what it is.

That's literally just normal trade between countries. France does that just like every other entity involved in global trade that has to keep its own interests in mind(meaning all of them.)

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by orwin on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:31PM (#20676994)
But you force them to compete with you. And this kills people as well:

France does not have as much available land as the US does, we cannot squander it away. We can't afford a spill like the one in WV from a few year back, it would kill hundreds of people. and destroy a high percentage of our lands. I'm pretty sure the spill have never made to the national headline: that's how much land you have. In France we would talk about this for years.

Our farms are way closer from the cities than yours, we cannot afford to feed our beefs and chickens with antibiotics and just hope for the best and pray it will have no impact.

Please understand that we don't have the same population concentration, nor the same money to hide/fix the issues caused by the farming industry.