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Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @07:41AM (#2066721)
I'm amazed by how regional things are, e.g. compare Germany with the UK. Firefox to IE is 62/22% in Germany, 23/52% in the UK.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-DE-monthly-201010-201012-...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-GB-monthly-201010-201012-...

Globally, IE is at insane levels in South Korea (94%) and China (90% of which IE6 is 54%), Firefox is doing well in the Philippines at 47% with Chrome following close behind at 34%.

I guess the key take away is, as usual, know your own market.

edit: I wish you could easily see the countries with IE above 50%, I was surprised to see that by these stats the US just dropped below this level, mostly thanks to a strong showing from Apple's Safari compared with the rest of the world.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by rmc on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @08:31AM (#2066825)
IE is at insane levels in South Korea (94%)

I believe that's because all online banks don't use SSL/HTTPS, but instead some different encryption standard, which is only available as an ActiveX plugin, i.e. Internet Explorer only.

This is not really a truely free market where people can change.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by riobard on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @11:06AM (#2067409)
Same in China. All major banks require IE (6 in most cases. though 8 works most of the time), in addition to some stupid security USB keys that you have to insert into your machine to prove it's really you. Oh, of coz the drivers only works in Windows. Even Windows in virtual machines sometimes have trouble with these devices. You have to use a native Windows.

Another reason is the proliferation of pirated copies of Windows.

Life is extremely hard for Linux users. Less so for OS X, but occasionally you still need to dual boot.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by fabjan on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @01:34PM (#2067947)
Also, almost all of the korean free-to-play MMORPGs require IE to launch them from.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by Symmetry on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @09:55AM (#2067110)
It must have been a very compelling dog and pony show that Microsoft put on to get ActiveX mandated by law in South Korea.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by w1ntermute on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @10:39AM (#2067281)
Actually, it's because the Clinton administration made encryption protocols a type of munition, and didn't allow the export of any with more than 40 bits until 1999. OTOH, South Korean legislation didn't allow the use of 40 bit encryption for online transactions, so they commissioned the Korean Information Security Agency to create a 128 bit block cypher called SEED in 1998. At that time, ActiveX (IE) and NSPlugin (Netscape) were the only viable technologies for this purpose that would be available on all customers' computers. Now that Netscape's dead, only ActiveX is left.

In January 1999, RFC 2246 (128 bit SSL) was finalized and permitted for export, but by then SEED was already entrenched. It's only now that smartphones are starting to become popular that they're trying to change things: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2010/09/133_73601....

You can read Gen Kanai's post about it on the Mozilla Asia blog for more info: http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2007/02/27/the-cost-of-monocultu...

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by stcredzero on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @12:33PM (#2067725)
What if someone revived the NSPlugin and/or implemented SEED for Chrome and Firefox?
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by briansmith on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @01:55PM (#2068009)
Firefox already has SEED for TLS in the crypto library we use (NSS). AFAICT, the problem now is mostly getting bank websites to change. I believe some Korean banks have indicated that they will start supporting the standard mechanism in addition to the ActiveX control.

People from Mozilla China have recently pointed out to me the crypto-related issues in China. My understanding is that you can make Firefox do what you need for Chinese banking but it requires unintuitive configuration and/or hard-to-get drivers. I am hoping that sometime this year we will make improvements to make smartcards plug-and-play on platforms (like Windows) that support it. This will be a nice benefit not only for Chinese users, but also for any other smartcard users.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by w1ntermute on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @01:09PM (#2067863)
Significant changes have probably been made to the implementation since the NSPlugin implementation was dropped; the protocol may have become dependent on ActiveX-specific features/settings.

I don't know enough of the technical details to fully follow the discussion, but it looks like support might have been added to Firefox ("Status: RESOLVED FIXED"): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478839

This commit definitely makes it look like something has happened: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/rev/653b75a8f4...

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by pessimizer on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @09:58AM (#2067130)
Thanks for this, I had no idea. Do you have any more information about this, or links?
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by w1ntermute on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @10:51AM (#2067345)
Take a look at Indonesia, it's ridiculous - Firefox is at 79%, while Chrome is at 12% and IE is at 5%.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by Tichy on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @09:13AM (#2066955)
That just gave me a crazy idea: measure browser usage by company and use it for stock investing. Ie you could see how quickly they can adapt new technology and processes.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by adw on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @09:59AM (#2067131)
Some of the big banks may still run IE6 (certainly BoA/Merrill Lynch still did about a year ago).
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by rbanffy on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @05:25PM (#2068800)
That's one good reason not to give them your money - they have lousy IT practices.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by noibl on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @07:51AM (#2066739)
Great info, thanks. Before seeing this I was having a tendency to think of Europe, North America and Oceania as somewhat homogeneous WRT browser market share. While it seems the UK (and also Ireland[1]) does follow the other two regions, the rest of Europe is a different beast.

[1] http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-IE-monthly-201010-201012-...

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by iaskwhy on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @09:13AM (#2066954)
XiTi (now At Internet) used to make some of the best stats for the European market, like this: http://en.atinternet.com/Resources/Surveys/Browser-Barometer...

Since it became At Internet they stopped doing it this way though.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by believeinqbit on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @08:20AM (#2066803)
I love see statistics on StatCounter and I go often there, but i didn't see the Philippines! The deduction that I make about the regional analysis is that: Europe is the continent of Firefox; North America is the continent of Safari (about 10%); South America is the continent of Chrome (near 22%!!); Russia and Ex-USSR countries like Opera very much! :-)
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by bediger on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @10:51AM (#2067349)
I think you have to take into account the "menu" of browsers that is available to EU Windows users. There's no way that Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc would be in any kind of position without that, I think.
Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by ugh on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @07:59PM (#2069320)
I don’t think that’s the case. Taking the data at face value it’s even doubtful whether the browser ballot had any effect at all.

StatCounter shows a pretty steady decline of IE since July 2008 (that’s when their data starts), down to about 45% in March 2010 (that’s the month when the browser ballot came with a Windows update) from about 58% (that’s about 0.6% per month). Since March IE has lost 7.8 points (that’s about 0.8% per month). All that loss since March was at the expense of Chrome (Firefox and other browsers could merely hold their March level).

That decline was a bit more rapid than the past average, but that extended decline is nothing special and also not particularly steep (there have been eleven month of near constant decline between August 2008 and June 2009 at an average rate of about 1.1% per month).

Firefox had more than 36% of the browser share since December 2008. The browser ballot doesn’t seem to have helped it so at least Firefox is in the position it is without any help from the EU. Chrome might have been helped by the ballot but even that is doubtful. North America which didn’t get a browser ballot shows a similar rise of Chrome.

A superficial reading of the data doesn’t show any effects of the browser ballot. You might be able to tease effects out with more analysis but I would bet that those are miniscule.

Re:Firefox overtakes IE in Europe by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday January 04, 2011 @08:46AM (#2066875)
I wonder how well these figures follow MS Windows usage.