How do you verify that WhatsApp actually is end to end encrypted?

The founders have lamented that the project is screwed, so you're left with a claim made my Zuckerberg and his buddies?

They are using the same encryption as Signal and it was done by the people running and developing Signal.

"As of today, the integration is fully complete. Users running the most recent versions of WhatsApp on any platform now get full end-to-end encryption for every message they send and every WhatsApp call they make when communicating with each other."

https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

> I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't.

Telegram has encrypted chats by default, just not E2E-encrypted.

What does it mean that they're encrypted, but not E2E? That means the chats are MITM'd by the company, no? If you're talking about HTTPS, that's an incredibly low bar.

As far as I understand it it means keys goes one way, messages another way, so that no single jurisdiction can get hold of anyones messages by seizing the servers.

Warning: the above is just my very simplified explanation of my understanding of what I read a while ago.

Edit: again, this is based on something I read a while ago, but I think Gmail has or had a similar system where you have to have access to two different places in the system to get hold of the messages, so yes, Google can get hold of anyones messages bjt it is not like anyone can do a select * from messages where accountid = 12345. (And this is not how I think they store the mails anyway :-)

Ah interesting, thanks very much for explaining it.

I don't think we should be celebrating that the chats are not sent in plaintext over the net in 2019. That's not the point.

You not only implied that Telwgram chats where unencrypted (AKA plaintext), you outright stated it.

That is wrong.

I guess there are some real issues with Telegram, but lets be honest and not lie and say it isn't encrypted.