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Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by invalidOrTaken on Saturday August 10, 2019 @12:13PM (#20662868)
All the more reason to preserve what is left, then.
Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by coldtea on Saturday August 10, 2019 @12:31PM (#20662984)
It is said that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.".

I'd say this idea, that after you are guaranteed worse results, you should double down, is even more insane.

If anything, what I wrote is all the more reason to find new strategies that don't involve "we'll fight them with guns".

Besides who'll do the fighting? The kind of people that have guns are in more in favor of fascism and army rule than those who don't. So all it takes to get them on the side of the opressors it's to sell it to them as army control, as opposed to "big government" control.

Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by tomschlick on Saturday August 10, 2019 @01:08PM (#20663230)
> The kind of people that have guns are in more in favor of fascism and army rule than those who don't. So all it takes to get them on the side of the opressors it's to sell it to them as army control, as opposed to "big government" control.

I feel like you have never talked to a gun owner before. Though they may lean towards the pro police/pro military side, they absolutely would not bow to the government implementing some kind of mass martial law.

Lastly, our military swears an oath to the people and the constitution, not the government. Every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and Guardsman is bound by oath to refuse unlawful orders. Any hint of stuff like you're talking about would lead to mass revolt within military ranks themselves. Militias would form, and armaments would be taken from the military's caches to launch a resistance.

Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by coldtea on Saturday August 10, 2019 @05:00PM (#20664488)
>I feel like you have never talked to a gun owner before. Though they may lean towards the pro police/pro military side, they absolutely would not bow to the government implementing some kind of mass martial law.

That's what they pay lip service too. In practice the huge majority are chickens, when they're not pro-army (and the first to cheer for an actual martial law, as long it was done by favorable politicians to them).

>Lastly, our military swears an oath to the people and the constitution, not the government. Every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and Guardsman is bound by oath to refuse unlawful orders.

Yeah, good luck with that if push comes to shove.

Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by EForEndeavour on Saturday August 10, 2019 @06:57PM (#20665023)
Well put. Second-amendment gun fanatics dwell so intently on their fantasies of bravely exchanging fire with government soldiers, when in fact their government has figured out how to oppress people in less physical and more effective ways than direct military action could ever achieve.
Re:FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone by jki275 on Sunday August 11, 2019 @05:14PM (#20670560)
Have you ever met a gun owner? Most do not want government overreach, hate facism(the real definition, not the “any Trump supporter” definition the left made up last year), and would outright revolt over a military dictatorship.