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Re:Who Owns Huawei? by nabla9 on Saturday August 10, 2019 @02:55AM (#20660601)
To some extent has been true for every big country that has successfully become a first world country after the WWII devastation. After the WWII Japan, South Korea, and Germany all had trade policies where the government coordinated closely with big export sector companies. Japan was famous for copying everything. Japanese businessmen toured western factories as potential customers with cameras, went home and build the same factory.

The trick to success is to expose companies to free competition in the global markets while protecting and supporting them in every other way. State aid in financing loan guarantees was the norm. Protecting home markets from competition was the norm.

Re:Who Owns Huawei? by Engineering-MD on Saturday August 10, 2019 @03:21AM (#20660685)
Do you have any further information on how this was done in Germany? It’s nit something I’ve heard much about before, and is contrary to what I imagined.
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by yorwba on Saturday August 10, 2019 @04:18AM (#20660875)
One example is that Volkswagen used to be state-owned until 1960. Afterwards, the federal state of Lower Saxony still kept a stake of slightly more than 20%, which combined with the requirement for 80% shareholder agreement effectively granted them a veto. That only changed in 2013 after it was found to violate EU regulations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Act
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by jasomill on Saturday August 10, 2019 @04:46AM (#20660951)
Carl Zeiss AG and Schott AG are owned by a foundation managed by the science ministries of the two German states where Zeiss was founded and where it is currently headquartered, a structure which has its origins in the Zeiss firm's original incorporation in 1889.
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by bestham on Saturday August 10, 2019 @04:20AM (#20660880)
Well the Japanese might have copied the product, but they surly built a better more efficient factory than the one that served as inspiration.
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by nabla9 on Saturday August 10, 2019 @05:13AM (#20661032)
Not instantly. First Japanese made shitty copy factory that was behind the west and produced low quality products sold cheap. "Made in Japan" was brand for cheap knock off products for a long time. Japanese cars had a reputation of being easy to break "rice cups" even in the 80's. Gradual improvement and climbing up the value chain happened in Japan, then in South Korea and now it's happening in China.

Asian cultures have this idea that you learn from the masters by copying them. After you master the previous state of art you start to improve upon it. When you laugh at stealing copycats you fail to see the constant gradual improvement.

Re:Who Owns Huawei? by bouncycastle on Saturday August 10, 2019 @06:41AM (#20661302)
Doc: No wonder this circuit failed. It says "Made in Japan".

Marty McFly: What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan

Re:Who Owns Huawei? by walshemj on Saturday August 10, 2019 @07:33AM (#20661484)
Not if you know how the Japanease did it to 50's they basically took the modern production management ideas that Ford et all rejected and implemented them

Also a lot of western cars in that periods where not so hot - the Austin Allegro for one

Re:Who Owns Huawei? by bayesian_horse on Saturday August 10, 2019 @05:59AM (#20661145)
Depends on whether or not there is something to copy...
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by nabla9 on Saturday August 10, 2019 @06:15AM (#20661198)
Perfect example: Aircraft carrier operations.

The US has painfully acquired the expertise and skills over half century. Thousands of aviators and sailors have died over decades until the current level of expertise has been reached.

Chinese have studied and copied everything. They translated USN carrier vessel flight deck manuals into Chinese and adopted it almost verbatim. Even the colors are the same. That's really smart thing to do. Trying to innovate and do your own thing starting from scratch because you have the false sense of pride and need be different would be stupid.

Re:Who Owns Huawei? by indymike on Saturday August 10, 2019 @07:21AM (#20661441)
It is closer to a century USS Langley in 1919: https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/01.htm
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by JetSpiegel on Sunday August 11, 2019 @08:53AM (#20667956)
Isn't the US Navy colliding with container ships because their pilots are sleeping at the wheel? Use it or lose it.
Re:Who Owns Huawei? by bayesian_horse on Saturday August 10, 2019 @08:23AM (#20661646)
The US Navy had to innovate on carrier operations, because there was nobody to copy it from.