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Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by ghaff on Friday August 09, 2019 @12:42PM (#20655995)
It is very waterfall-y as someone I know said in a talk and therefore you probably need to be a little careful what "rules" you take away from it. That said, the "mythical man month" discussion itself as well as the idea of a 9x difference in effort between a program and a programming system product are worth the price of admission.

The latter arguably runs somewhat counter to a lot of MVP, etc. approaches but recognizing the difference is still useful.

Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by rhizome on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:30PM (#20656495)
I've heard an observation that Agile as practiced in the real world is often basically "tiny waterfalls."
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by kps on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:28PM (#20657078)
Agile™, as I've encountered it, is collectivized micromanagement.
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by DATACOMMANDER on Friday August 09, 2019 @11:10PM (#20659903)
Ahhh...

You just put into words what’s been bothering me about the way my team works. The “process” people—while well-intentioned—seem to think that by breaking inherently complex tasks up in just the right way, they can make the complexity go away.

Well, no. If that’s really the idea, why are you paying me so much?

Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by 0x445442 on Friday August 09, 2019 @07:14PM (#20658964)
Exactly and it's almost perfectly orthogonal to engineering.
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by ghaff on Friday August 09, 2019 @01:41PM (#20656609)
There's probably some truth to that. That's what a sprint basically is, right?
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by kthejoker2 on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:39PM (#20657161)
If you run your sprints right then no, nothing's set in stone. If something comes up in the middle of the sprint that takes priority, you address it. You don't mindlessly stick to the schedule set (that would be a "tiny waterfall.")
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by ghaff on Friday August 09, 2019 @02:43PM (#20657192)
Fair enough. Although waterfalls usually weren't really set in stone either in my experience. Which had both good and bad points. (It's good to be adaptable but changing requirements all the time is also a good way to make a project late.)
Re:Alan Kay's answer to ‘what are some forgotten books progr... by rhizome on Saturday August 10, 2019 @02:03PM (#20663579)
This sounds is/ought-y? What is the prevalence of running sprints right in the real world? "As practiced" was the important part of my question/observation.