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Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by toomuchtodo on Friday August 09, 2019 @11:25AM (#20655189)
Hasn't Estonia solved this with their national ID smart card?
Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by rossng on Friday August 09, 2019 @11:28AM (#20655235)
I have never used it, but I do get the impression that Estonia is pretty far ahead of everyone else. I don't know if this particular use case is natively supported (but would be interested to know). I suppose it would be possible for a third party to build it.
Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by tooop on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:56PM (#20657748)
Latvia also has ID cards with embedded certificates that can be used to sign documents/login. These cards are optional (passport is mandatory, ID card can be requested) for now but will be required from 2023. Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania also have SmartID (although this is a private company service) which is an app on your mobile device and is used for logging in banks. SmartID account is issued by the bank (lowest level, can only log in issuer bank) or by yourself using your ID card (highest level, can log in any service that supports SmartID as well as document signing).
Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by Avamander on Friday August 09, 2019 @11:53AM (#20655496)
Yes, it's officially supported by providing everyone the possibility to sign documents with it. It was made an EU-wide standard in 2016 https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/319100_319199/31916201/... but previous iterations have existed since 2002.

The person you replied to is pretty much right, Estonian ID-card has solved 99.99% of authentication and signing problems for it's citizens, the support is mandated by law and very widespread. There are a few flaws but those are minor compared to the softly put clusterfuck rest of the world is dealing with.

Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by wahern on Friday August 09, 2019 @03:55PM (#20657736)
Flaws like this? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/crypt...

I support such uses of smartcards, but we have to be disciplined regarding our assumptions about non-repudiation.

Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by Avamander on Friday August 09, 2019 @04:50PM (#20658151)
I'd rather not start compiling a list of password-username database thefts, credential stuffings, identity thefts, forged paper signatures, the time lost to inefficient paper procedures, secrets stolen due to how hard it is to encrypt things etc. etc. etc.

Of course we have to be disciplined, but other things can't even remotely reach the security such a solution provides. Your comment has very FUD-y undertones, rising concern about a very minor thing if you actually look at how much it solves and how much better it is compared to other widespread applications.

Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by wahern on Friday August 09, 2019 @06:53PM (#20658861)
I'm extremely enthusiastic about smartcards, even trying to build a startup around making it easier to deploy and build services around smartcard-based authentication and key management. I agree that in terms of overall security they're incomparable to the existing mess. But, fair point--I flubbed attempting to articulate a tangentially related concern.
Re:Black Hat: GDPR privacy law exploited to reveal personal ... by Mirioron on Friday August 09, 2019 @12:41PM (#20655978)
Yes. A lot of Estonians use it daily to log in to their bank accounts, give digital signatures, deal with government business, check their health data etc. All you need is your ID card and your PIN codes.