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Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by luckylion on Thursday August 08, 2019 @01:44PM (#20646721)
Have you been to other European countries before Schengen? I keep hearing how much easier it is now that you don't need your passport for travelling in Europe. I've traveled quite a bit before Schengen and the Euro went into effect, and I've never spent more than five minutes at a European border, and rarely more than five minutes exchanging currency. Granted, it's easier to know that they are robbing you at some tourist trap if you don't need to convert amounts in your head, but I'm not so sure that's a good thing if you want to enjoy your trip...
Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by gattilorenz on Thursday August 08, 2019 @01:56PM (#20646837)
That's for traveling, and the same currency is quite nice, especially when visiting multiple places in one trip.

But the possibility of moving permanently (or to study at the university) to another country without needing a visa, well, that's a game changer. Not to mention the agreements between European countries (e.g. If you move, there's no need to change your driving license)

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by luckylion on Thursday August 08, 2019 @02:19PM (#20647091)
> But the possibility of moving permanently (or to study at the university) to another country without needing a visa, well, that's a game changer.

Is it though? I mean it's sure helpful if that's what you want to do, but it's not like that was impossible before. Given that relatively few people make use of it (relative to the population) it seems to be a small win, easing the bureaucratic process for a small number of citizens (that, I suppose, in Western Europe are generally wealthier than the average, and wouldn't exactly have to jump through hoops before).

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by gattilorenz on Thursday August 08, 2019 @02:55PM (#20647426)
No, not wealthier than average, at least looking at all the expats I've met. It is not about the money, at least for me. I refer to the feeling of insecurity you get when your studies or contract are over, you don't yet have a new one, and you might have to take all your belongings and move out of a country where you lived for years, just because you can't renew your visa. As an EU citizen outside my home country but still in the EU, I don't have that. Many PhDs from Turkey I have met ended up like that. You don't want to even risk that kind of situation.

Also in the past people moved abroad for work. Now it's easier, from a bureaucratic and economic perspective. Doesn't mean everyone WANTS to move: most people are perfectly happy living in their hometown, or at least same country, as long as you can make a living there[1]. But this should not surprise anyone, it's not that most refugees would leave their countries if they could find a job and security in their homeland .

[1] btw, I have no stats but the feeling is that most internal migration in Europe is from the poorest countries and/or social classes to the richest countries. Which, again, makes a lot of sense...

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by _-___________-_ on Thursday August 08, 2019 @03:02PM (#20647487)
> Given that relatively few people make use of it (relative to the population)

[citation needed]

There are vast numbers of cross-border workers and internal (to the EU) migrants. I don't have numbers, but I really think that statement is misleading.

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by luckylion on Thursday August 08, 2019 @03:45PM (#20647918)
Most (I'm going out on a limb here and would say: the super majority) lives and works in their home country. It's different for tourism where most have traveled to different countries, but it's not like 30% of the population in the EU is living outside the country they were born in.
Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by mschuster91 on Thursday August 08, 2019 @02:00PM (#20646890)
I'm half German, half Croat. Granted, I was just a kid, but I can remember hour long waiting times at the borders. Even today, with only the border Croatia-Slovenia remaining (and, back to Germany, our beloved Interior Minister's Grenzpolizei checking tourists for not carrying refugees), the waiting times can be hours. The earlier we can get rid of this crap, the better.

What is also a benefit of ever more unification across Europe: communication. Family vacations in Croatia meant next to no communication with friends back in Germany as phone calls and SMSes were ludicruously expensive, and mobile internet roaming all but unaffordable. Now? No roaming charges any more.

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by kmlx on Thursday August 08, 2019 @06:16PM (#20649419)
“phone calls and SMSes were ludicruously expensive, and mobile internet roaming all but unaffordable. Now? No roaming charges any more.”

except Switzerland.

Re:Svalbard is as close as you can get to a place with open ... by _-___________-_ on Thursday August 08, 2019 @02:59PM (#20647464)
Multi-hour delays at European borders were not unusual before, and persist at the external land borders of the Schengen area.

The common currency is valuable for more than just tourism purposes. A business in one country can much more easily trade with businesses in other countries if it doesn't have to deal with currency risk and the resultant necessary hedging, and if the business is selling services to consumers the single currency allows them to compete with businesses across the whole Eurozone on a level playing field. That's just considering currency; the single market is of course a much broader concept.