Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judge Rules

Re:Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judg... by skrause on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:20PM (#20636120)

> None of this would be possible in a civilized country.

I think the same concept exists in many civilized countries. In Germany it's called Erzwingungshaft (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzwingungshaft) and can be up to half a year for refusing to testify (though you can refuse to testify against yourself or close relatives without repercussions, similar to the 5th amendment).

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Re:Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judg... by italophil on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:49PM (#20636451)

In Germany Ordnungshaft (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnungsmittel) is the measure for refusing to testify. It is strongly regulated and can't extend longer than 6 weeks without going to a higher court.

Erzwingungshaft is incarceration for failure to pay fines or penalties.

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Re:Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judg... by skrause on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @01:12PM (#20636709)

No, it's the other way round if you read the actual law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stpo/__70.html

(1) Ordnungshaft is what you get if you fail to pay the fine (Ordnungsgeld) for refusing to testify.

(2) Erzwingungshaft is a separate thing, has nothing to do with a fine and can be up to half a year.

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Re:Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judg... by dahdum on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:32PM (#20636287)

I’m hard pressed to find examples of any country allowing witnesses to refuse to testify, the right to silence in common law applies to the accused.

UK, Canada, and even Sweden all have compelled testimony.

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Re:Chelsea Manning Can Remain in Jail for Another Year, Judg... by pera on Wednesday August 07, 2019 @12:27PM (#20636209)

Germany doesn't have grand juries though

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