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Re:Recursive language and modern imagination acquired 70k ye... by ltbarcly3 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:14PM (#20626536)
Being able to conceptualize does not depend on language, many of us don't think in language at all.
Re:Recursive language and modern imagination acquired 70k ye... by simiones on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:28PM (#20626693)
There is no proof of that. Even if you experience speaking and thinking as separate sensations, it may still be that they are actually "implemented" by the same structures in the brain.

There is in fact a theory that language is a tool for thought first, and for communication only secondarily.

Re:Recursive language and modern imagination acquired 70k ye... by blevo on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:52PM (#20626979)
One may not think in a common language used to communicate (e.g. English) but the way one thinks could be considered a language regardless, only specific to one's own mind.

Take for instance Google's translation AI. It developed its own intermediary language[1] which facilitated translation between languages and enabled it to even translate languages it had not specifically been trained on.[2]

[1]e.g. It had a "word" for dog that wasn't part of any existing language.

[2]e.g. it could translate Spanish -> French even though it was only trained on Spanish -> English and English -> French

Re:Recursive language and modern imagination acquired 70k ye... by ltbarcly3 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:17PM (#20627890)
This is a very sneaky argument that misses the point I think, you are effectively defining any sharing of information as a language, then using that definition.
Re:Recursive language and modern imagination acquired 70k ye... by pharke on Friday August 09, 2019 @06:41AM (#20653033)
I'm not talking about language here. The discussion is about _recursion_ which has vast implications for both language and thought.