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Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by cortesoft on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:26PM (#20616828)
Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. Free speech also means that everyone can decide to turn their backs on people saying these sorts of things, and not let them use the things we have built to spread their message.
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:45PM (#20617139)
I would have agreed not that long ago, but a lot of those platforms became defacto public squares. You do not get to benefit from a public good without burdens that come with it.
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by cortesoft on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:58PM (#20617352)
What public good are they benefiting from?
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:21PM (#20617686)
Being a defacto pulic square is what they benefit from. I get where you are going with this so can you move to the point you clearly want to make?
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by cortesoft on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:16PM (#20619696)
Your definition of a public good does not fit at all with what the accepted definition is, so I am not sure how to argue with you.

They are in no way using a public good, so arguing that they need to follow the rules that we place on public good doesn't make sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good

Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by SlowRobotAhead on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:35PM (#20616969)
>Free speech does not require that we give people a platform.

That's true!

Unfortunately it gets a little more complicated than that.

As providers enjoy PLATFORM protections that align with the ideas of free speech. Meaning they will enjoy legal immunity from content they host so long as they won't decide who gets a voice or why so long as the content is legally allowed. They aren't liable because they didn't have a say in what it was. They are required to remove illegal things of course.

The issue here is the PLATFORMS are now deciding they're going to keep these legal protections they basically require in order to exist - while also acting a PUBLISHERS that curate otherwise legal content to be aligned with their views.

Admit that many of the same people celebrating "they're a private company they can do what they want!" were also yelling "make the cake you bigots!"

This may be a cake-centric issue now that I think about it. Because CF, SV, FAANG are Having Cake + Eating Cake.

Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by cortesoft on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:04PM (#20617438)
I think it is ridiculous to hold the position that you aren't allowed to block ANY content if you don't want to be held liable for things people say on your platform.

We can't hold a platform liable for content because it is technically impossible to perfectly block infringing content, so we realize it is unfair to hold platforms accountable.

However, this doesn't mean a platform can't make ANY effort to control what content is on their system without losing this protection. YouTube doesn't lose safe harbor protection just because they have contentid...

Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by SlowRobotAhead on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:58PM (#20618203)
Why? Those publisher protections are directly modeled after the first amendment. This was literally the idea.

I didn't make this up, it's the entire intent of the system.

Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by cortesoft on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:18PM (#20619718)
If we are talking about the DMCA safe harbor stuff, which is what I was talking about, it was not modeled after the first amendment at all. What makes you think they were?
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by dd36 on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:54PM (#20617280)
Cloudflare is not acting as a publisher.
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by SlowRobotAhead on Monday August 05, 2019 @02:56PM (#20617336)
Are they curating otherwise legal content because they don't like it? Isn't that the topic here? Help me understand.
Re:8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service by dd36 on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:31PM (#20618595)
It’s not clearly legal and Cloudflare is under no requirement to provide its service to everyone that wants it.