Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by whycombagator on Monday August 05, 2019 @01:10PM
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IIRC salaried workers at Amazon get 10 PTO days. This stops me from even applying. I wouldn't ever again consider less than 20, and really need a minumum of 25.
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Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by mountainofdeath on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:24PM
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That's not salaried workers in general, only engineers and other roles that are hot markets. You average category manager starts with a whopping 5 days of PTO. Until Seattle passed ordinances regarding sick leave, nobody had a separate sick leave. If you got sick, it came out of your PTO.
By PTO are you deliberately narrowing to vacation? Full time workers also get 6 days/year Personal Time. The current US vacation schedule also changes over time, from worse than 10 days to 15 days.
1st year: 5 days, 2nd: 10 days, 3rd: 11 days, 4th: 12 days, 5th: 13 days, 6th: 14 days, 7th+: 15 days.
Thus, the time-off goes from 11 days to 21 days per year.
The max you can hope for is 21 days? That's obscenely low.
Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by cambalache on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:31PM
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Imagine being a new hire in almost every part of the civilized world and still having more vacation time than a guy laboring in the mines for 7+ years.
Which is still pretty bad...
I know people who work on AWS and they were telling me that they get 10 days of some other kind of vacation they can use too. So it's like 10 "real" vacation days that I assume roll-over year to year, you get paid for if you quit with them, etc. and then another 10 that are completely use-it-or-lose it. I don't know the details though
That's basically it. You have normal vacation time, then "personal time", which is what is used as sick leave. It doesn't roll over and you're encouraged to use that by the end of the year.
I see, didn't realize it doubled as sick time. I guess that is good if you are a young and healthy person, since it encourages you to not lie about being sick and lets you use that time for extra vacation.
Other competitive companies will often do "unlimited sick days" and start you with 3 weeks of vacation, which I would still personally prefer even though I am unlikely to be sick for over 5 days of a year.
Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by allthecybers on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:16AM
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A family member works there and can attest to how crappy the PTO is at Amazon.
Wow, this is what passes for PTO at the fabled FAANG companies? I work for a small company in a non-tech field and salaried (exempt) employees start with 20 days of PTO and increase to 25 after 5 years. 10 days is pathetic.
As long as they let you take unpaid leave, you can negotiate that into your salary ask.
Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by jorblumesea on Monday August 05, 2019 @03:19PM
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Nah Amazon has 15 and 20 at 7 years, which is pretty common in the US at least.
IIRC it’s 10 days for the first year and after that what you describe
Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by jorblumesea on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:43AM
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https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/pto-overview-us
10 days of pto + 6 days of personal time
yes but no. this was about pto. personal time accumulates in a funny manner and it’s use it or lose it.
Re:Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer
by jorblumesea on Monday August 05, 2019 @04:16PM
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Nah I know many people that work for Amazon and at least for devs/engineer it's 15 days min.