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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by king_magic on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:36AM (#20612910)
What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong.

It might make the tiniest bit of sense if we were collectively able to do something preventative about mass murders before they happened by using that “insight”. That certainly does not seem to be happening.

No, I think the time is coming where white supremacist manifestos and the like should be actively stamped out by society.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by coldtea on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:17AM (#20613108)
>What’s wrong with hosting a manifesto? It should be blindingly obvious: when they spread extremism and terrorism like a virus, there’s plenty wrong.

Yeah, a state that is constantly in war(s), paints the target countries du jour as the enemy building racism against their citizens, tolerates torture and police shootings (letting officers that do that shit free), and is obsessed with violence and gun ownership, suddenly is worried about "spreading extremism".

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by bart_spoon on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:33AM (#20613594)
Surely there is a name for this kind of logical fallacy? That a country is flawed because of "X" means that they can't be correct about "Y"? It also assumes a homogeneity among the population about all of those issues, which clearly isn't the case.
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by king_magic on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:21AM (#20613138)
So let’s open the floodgates because some things are wrong in the world? Nah, no thanks.
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by coldtea on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:26AM (#20613167)
No, "let's fix the way worse systemic things helping breed, nurture, and arm wackos, and then you can decide about them posting on some board".
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by king_magic on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:28AM (#20613177)
We’re doing a bang-up job of fixing those “way worse systemic things”. How’s that working out?
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by coldtea on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:09PM (#20621055)
I guess that's sarcasm, since I don't see anybody doing any kind of job (much less a bang-up one) of fixing those "way worse systemic things".

In light of this, worse than band-aids like "let's close the internet forums they frequent" is the new blaming heavy metal and computer games for mass shootings...

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by rrss on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:51AM (#20615090)
The United States is not homogeneous, and the current government does not reflect the will of 100% of the people.

It is entirely possible for one fraction of the population to be concerned about spreading extremism while another fraction does as you describe.

If you assume that the people of a nation stand in line behind those in charge, you will be continually surprised.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by repolfx on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:20AM (#20613129)
So are you in favour of hunting down every copy of Mein Kampf and burning them? What about all the other things said by Hitler?

What about Stalin?

What about non-white supremacist manifestos? They do exist, you know.

How much history would you erase due to your belief that words are capable of 'infecting' (presumably) lesser minds?

There's no evidence that manifestos spread "extremism and terrorism like a virus". Words are not able to infect people against their will. There are only ideas, and they can only be fought with reflection, more words and more ideas.

In the end, white supremacists and other kinds of supremacists existed before the internet. By supporting China-style censorship you're not actually eliminating those ideas, or even stopping their spread.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by magpi3 on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:15AM (#20613896)
> In the end, white supremacists and other kinds of supremacists existed before the internet. By supporting China-style censorship you're not actually eliminating those ideas, or even stopping their spread.

They existed before the internet, but the internet has given them a tool to organize that they didn't have before. And by censoring them online effectively, you take this tool away from them.

Which is exactly what happens in China. I am sure Chinese officials know ideas and philosophies spread on the mainland, but as long as the people who believe in those ideas and philosophies can't organize effectively then they can be controlled.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by iamnothere on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:50AM (#20614165)
Yes, let's be more like China! I'm looking forward to requiring loyalty oaths from our many religious groups. Where do you think we should put the reeducation camps?

Edit: in a less sarcastic way, a government can accomplish quite a bit if it has no concern for the rights of its citizens. There is a reason we don't do this kind of thing in the West; it's a good reason and it's one that China will eventually learn the hard way.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by magpi3 on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:45AM (#20614596)
I never said we should be more like China. I just said that internet censorship can prevent extremist groups from organizing (which it can).
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by ThrowawayR2 on Monday August 05, 2019 @12:05PM (#20615203)
> I just said that internet censorship can prevent extremist groups from organizing (which it can).

That's exactly what China does, for their definition of extremist.

But, of course, that could never happen in the US, right? I mean, it's about as likely as a bombastic demagogue being elected to the presidency. /s

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by king_magic on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:22AM (#20613147)
> Words are not able to infect people against their will.

... are you kidding?

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by repolfx on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @06:29AM (#20623905)
The idea that words can control people's minds against their will is the stuff of sci-fi and fantasy stories, not reality. As observed in a reply, it's literally the Jedi Mind Trick. Where did you get the idea it's real?
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Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by king_magic on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:33AM (#20614030)
If you think words can’t infect people, you’re kidding yourself. And yes, I know exactly what forum I’m on.
Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by anongraddebt on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:46AM (#20613292)
You can probably mitigate their spread. However, as the poster does seem to want Chinese-style authoritarianism, I can only conclude they have limited experience of what that looks like in reality.

As an aside, I've defended certain versions of democratic socialism (though I'm not a fan of it) to some of my friends that are recent immigrants from China (having worked grown up there and worked in the corporate world). All of them think capitalism and Western democracy is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Re:Terminating Service for 8Chan by kiliantics on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:45AM (#20615047)
The people you know from China are a highly biased sample, most Chinese are very happy with the way China is run.