Re:Ask HN: How can we destroy AMP?
by dvdbloc on Saturday August 03, 2019 @06:16PM
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So I think this works for the 1% of people that are informed about the issue and the struggle but how do you convince that 99% of the population that frankly probably doesn’t even care? Andecdotal but I know personally that when I used DDG a couple of times I was getting slightly less relevant results than I was using Google and if this happened to anyone in the general population, they’d just keep using Google.
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DDG has to show you less relevant results because they don't know much about you. The problem is that seeing less relevant search results is only considered a good thing by very privacy-sensitive people. One approach could be to advertise DDG as a search engine that works against filter bubbles and everybody sees the same results for the same query (not sure if this is actually the case).
Re:Ask HN: How can we destroy AMP?
by Wowfunhappy on Saturday August 03, 2019 @07:33PM
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I don’t buy this at all. I get much better results from Google compared to DDG even when I’m using Tor.
Google just has a really good results, it’s not that they’re customized for me.
Yes, Google also has a better index and more experience in building a search engine. I'm just arguing why DDG cannot be as good as Google, when you expect personalized results. E.g. when you are a programmer and get results for Swift the programming language rather than the pop star.
Re:Ask HN: How can we destroy AMP?
by Silhouette on Saturday August 03, 2019 @07:52PM
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Unfortunately DDG of late has been very poor for me, and I'm not convinced it has anything to do with tracking. For example, if I'm searching for a store to buy something and the first term in the search query is my country, returning me no results at all on the first page that are stores in that country (when several such stores exist) is literally useless, and clearly DDG could have done better.
Re:Ask HN: How can we destroy AMP?
by WalterSear on Saturday August 03, 2019 @08:37PM
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They aren't just less relevant - they are less complete. One specific example: their coverage of academic sites. As an experiment, I have entered the titles of several papers and they failed to show up in the results.
It's not just academic journal articles either: their results are, by and large, less complete - it's what initially led me to do the experiment in the first place.
The 1 percent of people that care often end up doing tech support for the 99 percent that don’t. Each time I help someone with their system I ask them if they want me to clean things u a bit and if they say yes, I show them that I’m setting FF as their default browser, DDG as their default search engine and so on.
People go with what their “expert” friend recommends all the time. If I want to buy a car, I ask a friend who is super into cars for advice, if I want a blender I ask a foodie friend. The same effect can help promote other technologies.
> So I think this works for the 1% of people that are informed about the issue and the struggle
Change the default search provider on every family computer you do tech support for.
That gets us up to 2 or 3%.