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Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by redsymbol on Sunday January 02, 2011 @10:39AM (#2060171)
Emacs is one of those software systems I'm really grateful for. My life is significantly better because I'm in a world where it exists - "better" meaning more joyful, more positively productive, and more enabled to be of service (since I use it for writing articles and opensource software, etc. Not to mention the code behind my company, so it's even helping me create jobs.)
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by psadauskas on Sunday January 02, 2011 @03:14PM (#2060880)
I really, really want to use Emacs. I like the ideas, I like the addons, I like the lispiness. What I can't get over, though, is the pinky contortions and multiple chords required to accomplish things in the editor itself.

I'm not a big fan of vimscript, and the addons seem more clunky, but being able to hit a single key, rather than a chord, or series of chords, to accomplish the basic text manipulations, makes it really hard for me to stop using vim and use emacs for more than a few days.

Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by mattrepl on Sunday January 02, 2011 @07:45PM (#2061657)
I'm surprised no one else has said it, but just remap your Caps lock to Ctrl. You can then use your pinky or ring finger, as you prefer.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by abecedarius on Sunday January 02, 2011 @04:28PM (#2061098)
The Kinesis contour keyboard moves the modifier keys to under your thumbs. Makes a huge difference for Emacs. It makes for a significant amount of retraining, though, too, and vim might still be for you.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by redsymbol on Sunday January 02, 2011 @05:03PM (#2061220)
I can understand! I actually also use vim a whole lot, which is absolutely wonderful as well. For the pinky/chords thing in emacs, I've be able to adapt by actually using other fingers quite a bit (shifting my hand so I can hold control with my ring or even pointer); and I really don't use multichord combos that much, usually using longer sequences instead (e.g. for indent-region, I hit Esc, then type C-\ rather than typing Alt-Ctrl-\ .) Fortunately this has worked well for me and my hands over time.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by w1ntermute on Sunday January 02, 2011 @07:02PM (#2061553)
> I've be able to adapt by actually using other fingers quite a bit

I actually use the part of my palm directly underneath my pinky to hit the Ctrl key. It works quite well on a ThinkPad keyboard (for my hand shape/size, anyway).

Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by alec on Sunday January 02, 2011 @03:51PM (#2060988)
Try viper and/or vimpulse. It doesn't get you all the way to vim, but it gets most of the important stuff.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by lelele on Monday January 03, 2011 @04:20AM (#2062662)
Or vim-mode. Or ErgoEmacs.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by p_nathan on Sunday January 02, 2011 @03:25PM (#2060918)
You can avoid somewhat of that with some considered keymappings.

For instance, I remap Control to Alt a ton in emacs. It's very easy for me to thumb-key instead of pinky-key. YMMV, depending on keyboard and hand-size.

Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by jcw on Sunday January 02, 2011 @06:45PM (#2061506)
As a vim user, I very much lament the fact that there's no good way to run an interactive shell or REPL in vim. The screen hack, Conque, the vim-shell patch, etc., don't match Emacs' REPL functionality.
Re:Whats New in Emacs 24 by kleiba on Sunday January 02, 2011 @12:14PM (#2060411)
Seconded. Even after years of using Emacs, I still have to stop for a moment every now and then and think: holy shit, what a motherflippin' piece of software!

...and I get really happy :-)