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Re:Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty by mschuster91 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @06:34AM (#20573104)
The core problem at hand is FPTP and the Electoral College. The presidential election is decided in the swing states and with the current system the centrist Democrats do have a point - even if the hardcore Democrat states love Sanders or Warren, their landslide victories in these states won't help anything if all the swing states go Republican.

America needs two periods with Democrats: the first one won with/by centrists, who then fix up the electoral system issues (gerrymandering, FPTP, voter suppression, campaign financing) and the second period where the left wing fixes the societal issues (income/wealth inequality, healthcare, "free speech" allowing people to walk with Swastikas).

Re:Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty by atq2119 on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @07:23AM (#20573394)
The US had the period of centrist Democrats with Obama, yet none of the things you mention happened.
Re:Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty by blaser-waffle on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @12:41PM (#20575893)
Canada currently has one with Trudeau, and reforming FPTP was one of his explicit goals -- didn't happen. Probably not going to.

We got legal weed though, so there's that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-electoral-reform-ja...

Re:Stop Blaming America’s Poor for Their Poverty by dragonwriter on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @05:06PM (#20578542)
> The presidential election is decided in the swing states

That's both true and misleading. The decisive factor in Presidential elections is base turnout. Obviously, the states where the outcome is least certain are most decisive, but this doesn't make centrism a particularly winning general election strategy for either party, which is why the Republicans haven't nominated a centrist Republican in decades, and the Democrats have consistently underperformed where they naturally should perform from party ID (including taking into account he state-by-state distribution), despite nominating candidates from the center-right neoliberal wing in every Presidential election since 1992.

> and with the current system the centrist Democrats do have a point

No, they don't. Their point is literally “We should keep doing the thing that we've been doing and expect that doing so will result in something other than the results it keeps producing.”

> America needs two periods with Democrats: the first one won with/by centrists, who then fix up the electoral system issues (gerrymandering, FPTP, voter suppression, campaign financing)

Why would centrists Democrats—who use all those things to argue for why progressives must vote for them instead of actual progressive candidates (and despite the fact that that strategy manifestly doesn't work)—want to fix any of those things and thereby terminate their own argument for dominance within the party?

You might as well expect Republicans to fix them; they have just as much (that is, negative) incentive to do so.