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Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by gingabriska on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:21PM (#20566365)
>If colonialism was necessary for industrialisation the European powers with no or smaller colonial empires would have had lower growth.

This assumes that the colonialists countries didn't trade with non colonialist countries in Europe.

Prussia initiated the concept of a common market in 1818 and in 1833 a treaty extended the Zollverein to the larger states of Germany, although Austria, by Prussian design was excluded.

As demand for coal increased, Germany rapidly developed railway and coalfields

We see lots of migration between Europeans countries specially ones with linked borders. There is movement of goods and people which itself can pull multiple of European countries to higher wages levels and living standards.

If french were getting richer and Germans were extracting coal. Germans could sell their coal at much higher price to French and grow rich without getting into colonialism.

If you cross the border and make much higher wages, the news would spread and regions would equalise overtime unless there is something which artificially stops migration.

Here's the data (which confirms high migration rates): https://brewminate.com/internal-migration-in-france-and-germ...

Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by deogeo on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:38PM (#20566530)
> This assumes that the colonialists countries didn't trade with non colonialist countries in Europe.

Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade and migration, the two countries significantly differ economically.

So it plainly does not hold that trade and migration entirely eliminates differences.

Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by gingabriska on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @01:01PM (#20566780)
>Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count.

Brahmins in India had high social status but less money/assets in past. So I am not talking about economic status.

Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by bayesian_horse on Wednesday July 31, 2019 @08:22AM (#20573789)
The issue about trade is that non-colonizing countries in Europe traded with colonies and their colonizers, benefiting from the alleged exploitation.

And indeed, Mexico is gaining ground on the US, not least because of bilateral trade and bilateral migration.

Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by gingabriska on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:43PM (#20566594)
>Look at the US and Mexico: Despite having a lot of trade and migration, the two countries significantly differ economically.

Back then labor was in more demand. Evidence is the salves were imported often at great cost and risk.

There were fewer commodities in market.

Germany had coal, French needed it.

There was no limit on immigration.

People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans.

Technology wise countries in Europe were quite equal, what differed is the amount of resources at their disposal.

>So it plainly does not hold that trade and migration entirely eliminates differences.

It doesn't have to entirely eliminate differences, just have to make them more equal.

Re:Ethiopia Plants 350M Trees in One Day to Combat Drought a... by deogeo on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @12:58PM (#20566760)
Sure - but if it doesn't entirely eliminate them, then you'd see a more significant difference between colonial and non-colonial countries.

> People from Germany and France were more equal in education and social status than the difference you've between Americans and Mexicans.

Good way to disqualify any counter-examples to your theory. If they're more equal in status (i.e. have more equal economies), then they don't count.