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Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Barrin92 on Monday July 29, 2019 @08:17AM (#20553726)
> would only vote for it if there are tax releases in other areas because tax rate is already enormous in my country.

A carbon divided, which is to say redistributing the income of the carbon tax equally and directly to the people should at least in principle be uncontroversial because it is both socially equitable (richer people live more carbon intensive lives and thus contribute more), and it sets the right consumption incentive without taking money out of people's personal pockets (which should please conservatives).

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by bryanlarsen on Monday July 29, 2019 @08:36AM (#20553893)
It should, in principle. Canada recently introduced a carbon tax with dividend program in which about 80% of consumers receive more in dividends than they pay out in carbon tax. Despite that, opposition is very significant. It's a crazy world.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Scoundreller on Monday July 29, 2019 @09:42AM (#20554478)
I’m all for carbon taxes too, but I always question the accounting for this.

Consumers pay some carbon taxes directly (e.g. while buying gasoline), but does this account for indirect carbon taxes (e.g. the natural gas used in making fertilizer to grow the food that the cow ate to make this burger?).

At the end of the day, a lot of our purchases are really paying for the energy used in its production at some level.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by bryanlarsen on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:04AM (#20554684)
In theory, if both the burger and the natural gas is domestic, it's fully accounted. The tax is on the natural gas so the cost shows up in the burger.

In practice, it's @#%#ed up, as usual. They didn't implement a carbon tariff, so foreign fertilizer would have been a lot cheaper than domestic fertilizer. But instead of putting a carbon tariff on foreign fertilizer, they gave domestic fertilizer a 90% exemption.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by gamblor956 on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:58AM (#20555245)
Tariffs are often regulated by treaties or meet with reactionary tariffs so local exemptions are usually the most practical way of dealing with imports.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Scoundreller on Monday July 29, 2019 @12:05PM (#20556024)
How do I get my own exemption? I’m more special than everyone else.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by gamblor956 on Monday July 29, 2019 @06:55PM (#20560331)
Do you compete in an industry subject to some sort of excise tax or tariff? If so, then hire a lawyer to explain the existing exemptions to you.

If not, go troll somewhere else.

Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by Scoundreller on Monday July 29, 2019 @10:07PM (#20561490)
The premise is that the exemptions were selected for political reasons, and a small fish in a small industry has zero chance of getting their own exemption.
Re:The human body is already close to thermal limits in many... by firethief on Monday July 29, 2019 @12:48PM (#20556593)
That's politically expedient, but if laundering carbon is as easy as exchanging goods across a border then what's the point?