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Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by avip on Sunday July 28, 2019 @05:42AM (#20546654)
First, from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV, cutting down a mature forest is good. Trees peak sequestration at 20-40 years. Second, BC can’t stop logging as long as it’s trapped in a PC First Nations talk.

Tangent, though this is technically a rainforest, it bares little resembles to what the word is usually associated with.

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by ricardobeat on Sunday July 28, 2019 @08:12AM (#20547113)
Your first statement seems to have been debunked long ago:

> The researchers have found that carbon uptake of trees (as measured by growth rates) continuously increases with their size because the overall leaf area increases as they grow. This enables bigger trees to absorb more carbon from the atmosphere. Thus, the oldest trees in a forest capture the most carbon from the atmosphere. These oldest trees are to be found in ancient forests. Importantly, older trees are also more valuable for biodiversity than younger trees because they support a wider range of species

Coming from Brazil, it pretty much looks like rain forest to me, except all the tree species are different. Besides, what is the point you are trying to make? That this is somehow ok?

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by hackbinary on Sunday July 28, 2019 @09:40AM (#20547463)
The bio diversity of conifer, rain or otherwise, is fractional of tropical rain forests. There are about 5 main coniferous species: Red cedar Douglas fir Sitka Spruce Yellow cedar West coast hemlock
Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by avip on Sunday July 28, 2019 @08:40AM (#20547217)
Pls source your claims https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259766087_Rate_of_t...

Maybe instead of "debunked", you meant to say "this is a controversial issue".

Here's a better source to support your claims: http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forestold.php

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by recusancy on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:19PM (#20548650)
CO2 Science is a fossil fuel funded climate denial center. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_the_Study_o...
Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by avip on Sunday July 28, 2019 @06:55PM (#20550274)
Ok. Why do climate deniers find it important to convince us old forests are important for CO2 balance maintenance?
Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by ricardobeat on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:18PM (#20548646)
You’re right, I should. Was on mobile and in a bit of a hurry.

Quote from the second link:

> with respect to the Brazilian forests in the central Amazon - about 50% of their above-ground biomass is contained in less than the largest 10% of their trees

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by strainer on Sunday July 28, 2019 @10:48AM (#20547826)
Cutting it in that manner is definitely not good because it doesn't regenerate when done so, for complicating ecological reasons. It is the regeneration stage of forestation which is remarkably good at capturing CO2.

Logging could be done in an ecological manner enabling and even stimulating natural regeneration but the industry culture has been powerfully opposed to ecological concern and campaigns that have struggled against its practices for many decades past[1]

Despite potentially offering insightful, fit and adventurous outdoor employment opportunities for humanity, global logging industry has politically lobbied to maintain a brutal strategy of maximum impact and immediate return towards its resource.

These practices are developed and carried out wherever profitable, by well established Western logging companies and professionals. Wildlife is poisoned and culled before work begins to simplify operations - the nature of the whole area is eliminated by design :

" Clearfelling, as the name suggests, first involves the complete felling of a forest by chainsaws and skidders. Then, the whole area is torched, the firing started by helicopters dropping incendiary devices made of jellied petroleum, commonly known as napalm. The resultant fire is of such ferocity it produces mushroom clouds visible from considerable distances. In consequence, every autumn, the island's otherwise most beautiful season, china-blue skies are frequently nicotine-scummed, an inescapable reminder that clearfelling means the total destruction of ancient and unique forests."[2]

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=eg+greenpeace+logging&tbs=cd...

[2] https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/may/1348543148/rich...

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by avip on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:01PM (#20548178)
BC law requires planting 3 trees per logged one. So in theory regeneration is there.

No one thinks the logging industry is especially echo friendly. It’s as exploitive as any other.

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by strainer on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:48PM (#20548467)
It has been characteristically eco-destructive and defended its business to be so, even where standards exist and are enforced to require replanting - this has practically resulted in dense monoculture plantations not sustainable forest habitat.

It simply has to be transformed, its legacy of habitat devastation must be outlawed and could even though unlikely -justly be retrospectively prosecuted.

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by terminal_city on Sunday July 28, 2019 @02:57PM (#20549213)
>even where standards exist and are enforced to require replanting - this has practically resulted in dense monoculture plantations not sustainable forest habitat.

This comment is not accurate with current industry practices, or frankly practices in the BC forest industry over last 30 years. The comment suggests that cut blocks are not re-planted? While this was the practice in up to the late '60s, things have changed. There was a massive investment (and resultant industry) focused on silviculture. Historic cut blocks were planted, and subsequently managed (brushed, thinned, fill planted) up to the the mid 90s. I would suggest that the historic backlog was significantly reduced by 1990. Today, it is at an equilibrium, with periodic deficits resulting from fire or the massive pine beetle infestation in the province.

Cut blocks are not planted with a single species, but with a mix of species. Trees are grown from seeds taken from the same area and elevation as the areas harvested.

I am not in the forest industry, however I paid for school and my student loans by planting trees (1988-1993). I am an engineer and earlier in my career I was heavily involved in habitat (aquatic and riparian) rehabilitation resulting from past forestry practices. They were horrific. The industry has adapted and continues to adapt. It ain't perfect, but to base an opinion on one side of a long standing heated debate -- as presented in the article -- is uninformed.

As with most thing, the truth lies somewhere in between.

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by strainer on Sunday July 28, 2019 @04:46PM (#20549762)
I tried a bit of treeplanting work myself in 90's Scotland, but couldn't stick the physical workload to be honest. Forestry there and in the rest of the UK is in the main still quite ecologically insensitive and also massively under-developed with national parks kept quite barren through generations of strange policy decisions and over-subsidised sheep farming. Policies seem to be on the verge of improving though.

I take your advice about industrys adaptation in Canada - but I think its adapted to external regulation and environmental oversight. Horrific, internationally contracted and equipped logging business continues around the world. I can appreciate how investors and wage seekers become insensitive to it, and in other industries to combustion, pollution, waste.. so examination, regulation, forcing industry to adapt at home and abroad is the only hope.

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by terminal_city on Sunday July 28, 2019 @04:35PM (#20549718)
To point out the obvious, referencing a 15 year old article about Tasmania (and an irrelevant google search) that describes historic practices on that Island does not strengthen your position, or add to discussions about forestry practices in British Columbia.
Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by strainer on Sunday July 28, 2019 @07:42PM (#20550449)
I didn't reply to a point that was at all limited to regulated forestry in British Columbia.

The google search was relevant to illustrate that concerned organisations have been campaigning against clearfelling for decades.

Tasmanian rain forest is still be destroyed in the same manner today.

https://www.wilderness.org.au/news-events/end-rainforest-log...

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by sverige on Sunday July 28, 2019 @10:10AM (#20547616)
>Tangent, though this is technically a rainforest, it bares little resembles to what the word is usually associated with.

Odd, because I recall a plaque at Lake Quinault of some sort claiming that the term "rain forest" was coined by FDR when he visited the Olympic peninsula, though it's not mentioned in the article linked below.

https://www.historylink.org/File/5434

Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by DanBC on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:01PM (#20548544)
Old growth forests have important ecological advantages over their ability to sink carbon.
Re:Canada’s Forgotten Rainforest by avip on Sunday July 28, 2019 @07:01PM (#20550299)
Obviously. Hence from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV