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Re:Skype banned from China by stcredzero on Thursday December 30, 2010 @11:56PM (#2054573)
I don't think very many trained economists would have a hard time expanding my sentence into a reasonable claim.

Not if you're espousing the woo-woo of market infallibility. markets are very good at lots of things. They aren't great at everything any more than Bayesian filters or genetic algorithms are infallible oracles.

Some exceptions for truly ideological-only propaganda, sure, but those are the exceptions.

Market infallibility woo-woo is ideological propaganda.

Re:Skype banned from China by jerf on Friday December 31, 2010 @12:24PM (#2055850)
I didn't say infallible. I said efficient. Many of the problems with markets are that they are efficient in ways that people don't want them to be; they will ruthlessly pollute the environment or squeeze people right out of the system if that is what brings the maximum reward. Or, to the point at hand, ruthlessly optimize propaganda without much thought about the consequences. Many people make the mistake of conflating "efficient" with "desirable", but they are only related, not identical. (Actually damn near everybody makes that mistake, even economists, to be honest.)

I'm a big proponent of understanding why it works that way and trying to ensure the market works for us, not against us, and therefore I don't think letting it run unfettered is a good idea. I also don't think deliberately misunderstanding and demonizing it, then applying foolish and poorly-thought-out first-order-thinking-based controls are a good idea either, which is by far the most common alternative. It's like demonizing gravity and trying to legislate antigravity into existence.

Re:Skype banned from China by stcredzero on Friday December 31, 2010 @08:31PM (#2057001)
I didn't say infallible. I said efficient.

There are certain things markets are not efficient or even particularly good at.

I also don't think deliberately misunderstanding and demonizing it, then applying foolish and poorly-thought-out first-order-thinking-based controls are a good idea either

Agreed. We probably need a better understanding of meta-markets.