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Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by lanstin on Saturday July 27, 2019 @03:48PM (#20543760)
Goulds argument is that different cases have different causes. The difference between my brain and a chimp is mostly genetic. The difference between brains in the neighborhood I grew up in and the brwins in a more wretched to2n are mostly environmental. The act of measuring heriditability without the context for what effect you are analysing is as meaningless as reporting means without variances. Have youbactually read this work? It is primarily a guide to avoiding conceptual phallacies that preceed the experiments/numerical analysis.
Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by maxander on Saturday July 27, 2019 @04:18PM (#20543920)
I haven’t read Gould, but from what you describe- the people running the studies aren’t dumb, they’re aware of these difficulties! That’s why they use all sorts of means (statistical control, twin studies, etc etc) to get around them, in addition to using compilations of studies from different populations and methods to drive conclusions.
Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by lanstin on Saturday July 27, 2019 @04:46PM (#20544087)
That would be an experimental error. Conceptual error means they take experiments that show that within a homogeneous population, the variances in intelligence (begging the question of "are there multiple types of mind skills which are heriditable?") are 50% or whatever explained by genetics. Then they apply these to explain variances between groups, e.g. US African-Americans compared to US European-Americans.

The fallacy is made clear if you look at something less charged like hight. Clearly, in your town, height variance is mostly due to genetics. However, in genetically similar groups over time, heights have been gradually increasing over the generations. This increase is not because heights are being genetically selected for but because the genome codes for an organism that can grow taller or shorter in different conditions, and these places (e.g. Europe) are providing the "grow tall" conditions. Places that aren't providing these conditions are not seeing their children grow them taller.

Now, height is a lot easier to measure than intelligence, and a lot less politically weighted by the various movements to promote racial inequality. But the conceptual fallacy is the same.

Note that Gould is explicitly attacking a "races are genetically different in some substantive intelligence fashion" movement of his time, using the oddly similar movements from prior times. This eugenics thru biotech argument is not currently racially motivated, but western cultures have suffered thru a number of "eugenics by positive means -> eugenics by racism" shifts in the near past, so we are a bit twichty about it.

tldr: No studies about individual variation will tell you about between non-random subgroup variation.

Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by alasdair_ on Saturday July 27, 2019 @05:47PM (#20544400)
>This increase is not because heights are being genetically selected for

Can you explain how you know this? Taller people, in general, are often considered more desirable mates. Wouldn't this lead to such people having more children which would lead to, well, average increases in height?

Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by danmaz74 on Saturday July 27, 2019 @09:28PM (#20545335)
Not OP, but the reference was clearly to increases in height during very short time frames from a natural selection point of view, eg in post WWII Europe.
Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by lallysingh on Saturday July 27, 2019 @06:19PM (#20544612)
Until they have a bunch of bruises on their foreheads from low door frames! Cancels the effect.
Re:Biology is the New Tech: Letter from a conference on CRISPR by Ygg2 on Saturday July 27, 2019 @08:34PM (#20545175)
Or cancer. The heavier you are, the more cells you have. More cells you have, well more potential for cancer.