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Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by irq11 on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:56PM (#20531694)
“Force multiplication” is an intangible. If your salary depends on it, you’re depending on someone in management noticing that you’re “multiplying the force”, and that you’re willing to leave. It happens, but it’s rare, and usually occurs when people are great negotiators, or such an OG with the founding team that they’re like part of the corporate logo.

For most people, salary correlates with measurable influence, and there’s nothing more measurable than head count. So maybe you’re right about certain orgs, but I wouldn’t advise any young turks to bet on it.

Basically, every nerd thinks they’re gonna be Jeff Dean...but there’s only one Jeff Dean, and his job is taken.

Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by lifeisstillgood on Friday July 26, 2019 @04:30AM (#20533252)
>>> For most people, salary correlates with measurable influence, and there’s nothing more measurable than head count. So maybe you’re right about certain orgs, but I wouldn’t advise any young turks to bet on it. Basically, every nerd thinks they’re gonna be Jeff Dean...but there’s only one Jeff Dean, and his job is taken.

absolutely this

Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by lifeisstillgood on Saturday July 27, 2019 @12:03PM (#20542617)
The point to take away here was measurable influence.

Just as in how sales people can be on commission but no one puts fifty developers on commission the ability to measure is as important as the metric itself

Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by thwarted on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:10PM (#20536340)
“Force multiplication” is an intangible. If your salary depends on it, you’re depending on someone in management noticing that you’re “multiplying the force”, and that you’re willing to leave.

Most managers don't set their own salary, and are dependent on someone else noticing and respecting their "contribution" (like "headcount" metrics) for their compensation consideration. It is entirely possible to be sidelined as a manager, just as it is anywhere else.

Everyone should have clear, communicated, consistent, meaningful, deliverable, pragmatic metrics that they are subject to in their evaluations.

Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by joshuamorton on Saturday July 27, 2019 @02:55AM (#20540760)
Jeff Dean is also a manager at this point. There were historically two though, Jeff and Sanjay, and Jeff's former role is free.
Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by irq11 on Saturday July 27, 2019 @06:40PM (#20544695)
The “former role is free”? Google is huge and has thousands of managers, so it’s only “free” in the sense that they’re hiring some managers. There’s still only one Jeff Dean.
Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by joshuamorton on Sunday July 28, 2019 @07:55AM (#20547054)
I think you misunderstood.

Jeff was an IC. He no longer is. Under the naive assumptions that many people in this thread are making, that means the IC position he was in should be available.

It's not. I leave why as an exercise to the reader.

Re:Square’s Growth Framework for Engineers and Engineering M... by irq11 on Monday July 29, 2019 @07:29PM (#20560583)
Ah, indeed. I took your comment to mean the opposite. Mea culpa.