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Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by Scoundreller on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:31PM (#20529975)
> about the possible liquefaction of the relatively new solid bulk cargo bauxite (an aluminium ore).

Is bauxite really new cargo? Or do they mean ship-operators need to be careful when switching to bauxite cargo?

And any particular reason for loading these cargoes with water? Why not dry?

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by jacobush on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:42PM (#20530067)
I think this is the lead:

"The International Maritime Organisation has codes governing how much moisture is allowed in solid bulk cargo in order to prevent liquefaction. So why does it still happen? The technical answer is that the existing guidance on stowing and shipping solid bulk cargoes is too simplistic."

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by jmts on Thursday July 25, 2019 @09:04PM (#20531406)
Is bauxite really new cargo? Or do they mean ship-operators need to be careful when switching to bauxite cargo?

My read on it was that bauxite was new as a solid bulk cargo, not that bauxite itself was a new cargo in general. I know nothing of the industry however, so I'm not sure whether this is a legitimate interpretation or not.

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by Brian_K_White on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:45PM (#20530093)
At a guess, it's probably easier to pump slurry than to shovel dry material. Maybe also dust.
Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by scoot on Thursday July 25, 2019 @06:42PM (#20530542)
”[...] if, as is common practice, the cargo is loaded with a conveyor belt from the quayside into the hold.”

So, no.

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by raws on Thursday July 25, 2019 @06:37PM (#20530502)
Sounds like they may want to remove water out of the cargo for transport and pump it back in for unloading
Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by nicthesailor on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:24AM (#20532566)
Yes for the first part, but we definitely don't want to pump it back in for discharge.

Dry bulk cargo is almost always discharged with grabs and cranes, not pumps.

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by jschwartzi on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:13AM (#20532309)
At a guess, they have to do the loading, hauling, and dumping outside in all weather and also probably barge it out to the hauler in some cases. All of these things can add a significant amount of water to an otherwise "dry" solid.
Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by nicthesailor on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:22AM (#20532557)
Seafarer here. This is basically correct, but the problem is mainly storage before loading.

Ideally, is mined, then either stored somewhere dry, out of the weather, or delivered directly to the ship in a covered train/conveyor belt.

In reality, it's usually mined, then stored in a big pile outside in the weather for weeks/months until it's loaded. It won't pass the pre-loading transportable moisture limit (TML) tests, so they falsify the results.

A cargo with a slightly high TML can appear dry on loading, but the vibration causes the moisture to migrate down to the bottom of the hold and cause the cargo at the bottom to liquify. When the ship rolls, this layer shifts, and the rest with it.

Obviously, if the TML is way too high, the whole thing turns to slurry.

Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by russfink on Friday July 26, 2019 @09:13AM (#20534502)
Can they just pump the water out?
Re:Cargo ships that ‘liquefy’ (2018) by nicthesailor on Friday July 26, 2019 @02:22PM (#20537086)
To pump out, we need it to settle out of the cargo so that we can get it to the pumps. That works for certain types of cargo (iron ore and most types of coal are easy), but if it forms slurry instead, we can't get it out unless we can somehow pump the slurry out.

Normal bilge pumps can't cope with slurry.