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Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by Animats on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:37PM (#20522345)
Most people who get a lot of money all at once blow through it in 7 years. There are many broke lottery winners and NFL players.

$5M is not rich today. $5m is a lifetime of moderate income if you're really careful.

The classic advice was that you could spend 4% of your net worth per year. Today, it's probably only 3%. Yields are lower.

You don't have to do anything immediately. You can park it in T-bills, brokered CDs up to the FDIC limit, and big index funds.

Any investment where they call you is lousy. If it was any good, it wouldn't have paid marketers.

Avoid financial advisers who want you to trade a lot. Trading for individual investors is, overall, a lose.

Don't buy a restaurant.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by zaccus on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:05PM (#20527791)
A 3% yield on $5MM is $150k/year forever. Most people would consider that more than a "modest" income. Especially when you don't have to work and can live in a low COL area.
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by jaclaz on Thursday July 25, 2019 @07:43AM (#20524518)
> Don't buy a restaurant.

This is actually the BEST advice I have ever seen, and it works exactly like the (as well very good) advice before it, just like "where they call you is lousy", running a restaurant is a profession (that few people are able to do successfully) do you really believe that you can actually find these people (outside their own successful restaurant)?

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by anaisbetts on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @11:46PM (#20522381)
The 4% rule also only applies to people at retirement age => death (i.e. 30-40 years). If OP is only 20-30, that's not going to be guaranteed to work, you probably want to think 2.5-3%, though also keep in mind that your taxes when living off of capital gains / dividends (at least in the US) are going to be way lower - if you do it Right you probably will pay less than 5% federal taxes (CA state is a different story, though you can always move)
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by my_username_is_ on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:03AM (#20523282)
It also assumes that you're not going to bring in any more income for the rest of your life too. While the OP could retire and live on a beach somewhere for the rest of his life... By the nature of being someone who posts on HN, I'm betting that that's not the case.
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by gesman on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:40PM (#20527549)
This:

"Any investment where they call you is lousy. If it was any good, it wouldn't have paid marketers. Avoid financial advisers who want you to trade a lot."

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by ThrowHitJackpot on Friday July 26, 2019 @10:12PM (#20539958)
Agree re restaurant = bad.

Agree $5M isn't rich. But I make fairly good money and live in a moderate LCOL, so with good continual salary plus this (which is quite a bit more than $5M actually) it should be good.

Agree trading a lot is stupid - and more so on the restaurant.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by simonebrunozzi on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:18AM (#20522761)
> Don't buy a restaurant.

This is probably great advice, and falls into the important category of: avoid the worst mistakes that most suddenly-rich people make.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by PeterStuer on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:56AM (#20522922)
I'm guessing the restaurant thing refers to a personal mistake?

In general investing significant money in a business you do not understand is a pure gamble at best.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by Animats on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:21AM (#20523058)
No, just classic advice. I was once asked to invest in a restaurant, though. I said no.
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by rambojazz on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:01AM (#20522693)
> Don't buy a restaurant.

I'm curious about this. Could you please explain more?

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by muzani on Thursday July 25, 2019 @06:11AM (#20524102)
I almost bought a restaurant. Even the good ones like McDonald's aren't great. They're a lot of hard work to keep alive, very low profit margins, easily influenced by little things like 6% tax.

It's the kind of thing you put half a million dollars into and earns about $10k/month on average, loses $10k/month on a bad month, and teases you with the possibility of making $100k/month on paper.

It also requires a lot of accounting and dealing with minimum wage workers who have to be trained in basic etiquette, like not sleeping during rush hour and not throwing drinks at rude customers. Which is not really the niche for many of us.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by jaclaz on Thursday July 25, 2019 @07:45AM (#20524534)
I would respectfully disagree on the categorizing of McDonald's as "restaurant" (let alone "good").
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by matt_s on Thursday July 25, 2019 @02:31PM (#20528057)
I suspect muzani was referring to it as an investment vehicle, not a rating on the food.

How often do you see a McDonalds closing for good?

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by jaclaz on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:20PM (#20528541)
>I suspect muzani was referring to it as an investment vehicle, not a rating on the food.

>How often do you see a McDonalds closing for good?

Ow, come on, he posted:

>I almost bought a restaurant. Even the good ones like McDonald's aren't great.

It can be read both ways, one of which sounds (to me at least) funny.

However if we are going to be picky, a McDonalds (or better a McDonalds you can actually buy) is a franchise:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising

and whilst McDonalds (the parent company) isn't going to close for good, I know people that managed to lose money attempting to run similar franchises.

In such a setup, all the technology, the supplies and the marketing (besides quality standards and training of personnel) come from the franchisor, so the "added value" by the franchisee is relatively low, and compensated accordingly.

Some data (maybe accurate, maybe not):

https://work.chron.com/average-income-fast-food-franchise-ow...

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by muzani on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:59AM (#20533847)
I meant "restaurant" as a system that converts raw food into money.

McDonald's, franchise or not, counts. Though to my understanding, they're not doing the franchise model as much anymore and are managing it themselves instead.

The linked article supports my view and is actually a little more profitable than expected. It quotes 20% net profit, which is amazing when most of the restaurants I see make close to 0% net profit.

Franchises add quite a lot of value. The hardest things in running a restaurant are marketing, product development & training, and supply chain. They supply all of these. If you want 'passive' income, franchises are the the closest thing to it.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by jaclaz on Thursday August 01, 2019 @12:44PM (#20585630)
>Franchises add quite a lot of value. The hardest things in running a restaurant are marketing, product development & training, and supply chain. They supply all of these. If you want 'passive' income, franchises are the the closest thing to it.

Yep, the whole point is that "they" decide (and can calculate at the third decimal point, remember it is "their" business and "they" have decades of experience in it) how much is what you bring home.

A "franchise" is also the closest thing to being between a rock and a hard place, you have more or less fixed prices (sale prices) and fixed (by them) costs, the only variables you can somehow manage is volume of sales (and it depends mostly or more than anything else on location) and personnel costs (which is anyway in most countries regulated by Law).

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by andyv on Thursday July 25, 2019 @01:11AM (#20522733)
Restaurants are notorious for failing. Even ones that are always full of customers can still lose money.
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by sbierwagen on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:37PM (#20537721)
Three classic disaster stories: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15658437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15439346 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12521045

From the last:

>And while I am not dumb enough to have imagined I’d make much money as a passive, partial investor in a New York City restaurant, I was dumb enough to think that I could probably earn my money back-ish, while at the same time helping some decent young men fulfill their dream. (Also, it seemed more fun than investing in a municipal-bond mutual fund, which cannot, thanks to the killjoys at the S.E.C., give investors free beers.) But of the many failures of logic and foresight of that investment, which I made in 2010, the one that stings the most is not realizing that so few restaurants in New York make money precisely because too many restaurants in New York have investors like me.

>That business, more or less, stinks. New York restaurants are at the intersection of the low-margin world of food businesses like grocery stores (low margin because so many compete in the all-out war to sell food) and taste-predicting nobody-knows-anything businesses like Hollywood. I spoke to one of the two owners of the restaurant, who wished to remain anonymous in case he decided to keep his hand in the restaurant business. He provided me with the Manhattan math, from the seven-year profit-and-loss statement. If you as a customer generated a hundred-dollar tab, about thirty-seven dollars went to the staff (plus the twenty or so dollars you tipped); twenty-nine dollars went to buying the food and beverages that became your meal; fifteen dollars went to the landlord; six dollars went for supplies (such as new forks) and maintenance (hello, plumber); five dollars went to bank fees, insurance, and workers’ comp; five dollars went to other costs (utilities, permits); and just under three dollars (two dollars and eighty cents, to be exact) was left over for operating income. For the record, that is less than was paid in credit-card fees.

[...]

>Yet I’ve come to conclude that the restaurants New York needs are doomed, financially, to fail. That’s because amateur capital backed by magical thinking and a desire for fun distorts the economics for everyone. New restaurants, with too-easy access to financing from people like me, invest too much in design, tableware, food, and service, driving up every customer’s expectations of every restaurant in a cyclone of unprofitability. Landlords, with enough dreamers to fill their spaces, can command nightmare rents. If restaurants had to be good business ideas, and attract sophisticated investors who mercilessly demanded a profit, there would be fewer restaurants. They would be less cool. The food would be less good.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by basch on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:09AM (#20525466)
does a taco truck apply to the dont buy a restaurant rule?
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by asark on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:28AM (#20525627)
I'm not rich, but I'd think that if that's just your keeping-busy hobby it seems like a relatively cheap one. You could save for not that long from just the 3%/yr, buy something used, fix it up yourself maybe paying a little here and there for things you can't do, come out cheap enough that you can make most of your money back and without ever touching your savings/investments.

I think it's more about avoiding investing in probably-doomed but romantic businesses that'll cut into your principal.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by basch on Thursday July 25, 2019 @10:48AM (#20525819)
i did mean it in a "its ok if it operates at no profit or a slight loss because its a hobby to entertain me" sort of way.
Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by asark on Thursday July 25, 2019 @11:58AM (#20526470)
I'd think anything cheap enough to fit in what you're treating as your annual % income budget's basically fine. You won't ruin yourself or significantly harm even a modest fortune with it. More like "don't invest any part of your principal in a restaurant, it will very probably fail, but only after you've thrown even more good money after bad and suddenly you're 20-30% less rich for no good reason".

An ice cream stand or a taco truck or whatever, those are cheap enough you can get them off the ground without touching your savings given even a "modest" (call it) $100-120K after-tax income, provided you have some patience (to save a while for the big expenses rather than pulling it straight out of investment principal) and are doing a lot of the work yourself (which is the point, if it's a hobby, I'd think). Any money it makes is strictly a bonus.

Re:Ask HN: What did you do when you suddenly got rich? by mensetmanusman on Thursday July 25, 2019 @12:30AM (#20522551)
A majority of American millionaires do not think they are wealthy. In fact...