Re:What If Consciousness Comes First?
by eanzenberg on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @05:35PM
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I can prove it for myself, but not for anyone else. Same as everyone else. Nothing in that statement defines an "it".
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How can you prove something about yourself before first proving your existence?
I know it sounds outlandish but it does point the gap in your proof.
Re:What If Consciousness Comes First?
by eanzenberg on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @06:33PM
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I think, therefore I exist, therefore I am
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Of course you are.
Re:What If Consciousness Comes First?
by slaymaker1907 on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @08:42PM
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Because it proves itself by the simple act of considering the question. It is a tautology.
It proves itself if you define "I" as the same as the experiencer of the thinking, but "I" (as many other complex word) is much more overloaded.
Unfortunately all our word definitions seems shaky, if we want to describe something that is the base requirement of those very definitions.
Maybe the best we can do is to deconstruct the above using more simple or base terms, but the meaning of those terms maybe also depends on the content of experience not the mere fact of experience:
I experience thought -> experience of thoughts exists -> experience exists -> something exists
So upon experiencing thought you may conclude that "something exists", or "there IS something"...