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Re:Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth by repomies691 on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @04:47AM (#20513326)
> The employer-employee relationship is weird and toxic as hell.

Doesn't need to be in my experience, both the employee and employer can respect each other even when they don't get along well on personal level. However it is actually quite interesting that it is a relationship that can be weird and toxic, while still providing (economical) value for both parties.

Re:Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth by Iv on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @08:02AM (#20514280)
I had some healthy relationships with bosses, but every employer I had who was a decent human ended up being fired by shareholders.

And yes, the strength of free market and capitalism is to transform greed and all the behaviors that come with it into a fuel that helps the economy for everyone. It does not transform these into virtues though...

Re:Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth by puranjay on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:31AM (#20515048)
Every time I hear these stories, I'm reminded of this classic Ribbonfarm post:

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Re:Want to hire the best programmers? Offer growth by Iv on Wednesday July 24, 2019 @09:53AM (#20515259)
That's pretty close to class warfare IMO. I like this passage:

"A Sociopath with an idea recruits just enough Losers to kick off the cycle. As it grows it requires a Clueless layer to turn it into a controlled reaction rather than a runaway explosion. Eventually, as value hits diminishing returns, both the Sociopaths and Losers make their exits, and the Clueless start to dominate. Finally, the hollow brittle shell collapses on itself and anything of value is recycled by the sociopaths according to meta-firm logic."

This realization has stopped me from trying to hire people. I don't think I have the shoulders to be the chief sociopath.