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Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by jedberg on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:38PM (#20502937)
That's unfortunate. There is a lot of literature out there that talks about how after the founder leaves, usually the COO takes over, because they would leave if they don't get the job, but after that, usually they look for a more "visionary" person, because the COO makes things efficient but not interesting.

Look at Microsoft. When Gates left, Ballmer took over, and did great things for the company financials. Profits and revenue were consistently up year after year. But the company stagnated product-wise and lost favor among enthusiasts and investors. He left the stock 10% worse than when he got there, despite the profits and revenue.

But since Ballmer left, Nadella has done an amazing job continuing the profit and revenue story while also winning back the hearts and minds of developers and investors with some great new products and product vision.

Apple needs a Nadella -- a long time insider who has a strong product vision.

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by Despegar on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:51PM (#20503024)
People with this line of critique against Tim Cook don't actually know how Apple works.

By your own metrics Cook is Nadella. The stock more than doubled under his tenure and the installed base for Apple products has grown massively since 2011 (to 1.4 billion). More people than ever own Apple products.

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by dmix on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:45PM (#20503301)
That seems to be a result of scaling vertical with the existing product line, not horizontally with new better product categories. Even the new ones are all connected to prior innovations (Apple Watch -> extending iPhone's mobile computing to a new screen ala iPad), (Apple Services -> extending iTunes selling mp3s and video).

Their latest 'new' venture which is the TV play is basically derivative of Netflix and Amazon. Going into finance with the credit card thing is semi-interesting but it was also the thing that killed GE (they became a finance company and lost sight of what made GE great, the best products [1]).

The Beats acquisition was an excellent investment and their Airpod's business is doing amazing. So that's something. They need more of that IMO... if they need anything at all.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/ge-powered-the-american-century...

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by chubbyrabbit on Monday July 22, 2019 @08:38PM (#20503521)
> That seems to be a result of scaling vertical with the existing product line, not horizontally with new better product categories.

Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't imply a lack of innovation as well. They provide a good enough improvement on all software, hardware and service fronts to keep customer buying year on year.

A lack of a new breakthrough product doesn't mean lack of innovation from Apple. In my opinion it only means two things:

- The technology is not there yet for a new "iPhone" type of breakthrough.

- The expectation of people on Apple is so high considering their success in the past decade.

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by nostrademons on Monday July 22, 2019 @08:02PM (#20503366)
That's Balmer, not Nadella.

Jedberg's point is that strong operational CEOs are great at getting more users for existing products. Visionary CEOs are great at inventing new products that can capture new markets the company hasn't previously been in before. The only major new product Apple's introduced under Tim Cook's tenure has been the Apple Watch, which in actual usage is more like an accessory to the iPhone than a new product category. He did a great job growing Apple's existing iPhone, iPad, and Macbook businesses, but a less great job introducing new ones.

See also the a16z essay "Ones and Twos":

https://a16z.com/2010/12/16/ones-and-twos/

Cook is a Two, as are Eric Schmidt, Sundar Pichai, Steve Ballmer, Sheryl Sandberg, and Dara Khosrowshahi. Ones include Steve Jobs, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Andy Rubin, Travis Kalanick, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerburg. Nadella is shaping up to be a One, though I'm not entirely sure on this (I haven't been following Microsoft closely).

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by Despegar on Monday July 22, 2019 @08:23PM (#20503449)
You’re not actually saying anything of substance other than Cook isn’t a founder of Apple.

It’s amusing to see people try to give the Apple Watch and AirPods short shrift because they’re both extremely successful products that only look small next to the iPhone (and ignores Cook’s role in that as well). The Apple Watch is bigger than the iPod at its peak and is something that actually makes a dent in the universe at a level other Apple products don’t. There have been dozens of stories about customers and their Apple Watch saving their lives or alerting them to a latent medical condition [1].

To understand Tim Cook’s importance to Apple you have to understand that Jony Ive was already at Apple for several years before Jobs returned and Apple was headed to bankruptcy. Cook is who actually built Apple into the machine that could execute, and it’s why he was officially named CEO in 2011. He was the unofficial CEO for years before that.

Actually it’d be more accurate to say he’s a founder of Apple 2.0

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/19/apple-watch-prompts-heart-sur...

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by vezycash on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:54PM (#20503041)
Ballmer did well product wise. Azure, xbox, office 365, bing and surface were started under him. His big losses were the smart phone and search engine.

If you consider that he inherited the fear of break up from the anti-trust stuff, you'll understand he was fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

Nadella basically reorganized stuff around, slimmed the company down and focused big on CLOUD, AI and Blockchain - the new fads.

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by rasz on Monday July 22, 2019 @11:53PM (#20504284)
Dont forget Zune, Danger, Surface, RT, Vista.
Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by erikpukinskis on Monday July 22, 2019 @09:25PM (#20503738)
The loss of smart phone is unforgivable.

It’s a rough approximation of “lost the entire consumer business”.

Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by jjtheblunt on Monday July 22, 2019 @07:20PM (#20503188)
Apple has such in, for an example alluded to in recent news, and form personal experience, Evans Hankey.
Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by liberte82 on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:40PM (#20502948)
Jony Ive?
Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by jedberg on Monday July 22, 2019 @06:46PM (#20502989)
Except that he left.
Re:Apple’s Heir Apparent Is More Like Tim Cook Than Steve Jobs by liberte82 on Tuesday July 30, 2019 @04:51PM (#20569009)
Oh, I totally missed that news.