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Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by jchw on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:16AM (#20491188)
It’s expensive and we don’t really need it. Would be nice, though.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by hdfbdtbcdg on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:20AM (#20491199)
Well. Using headphones all day damages our hearing... We work better without constant distractions. We are pretty expensive to employ and then use at 50% potential.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by eemil on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:52PM (#20492234)
What you're saying is a bit misleading.

Headphones do not inherently damage hearing. What's damaging, is listening to them at a high volume. This might occur if you're in a noisy environment, and use headphones with poor isolation, e.g. airpods, which need to overpower the ambient noise.

You can absolutely listen to headphones all day, in a quiet environment or if they provide good isolation.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by wool_gather on Sunday July 21, 2019 @02:01PM (#20492673)
Right, it's not dangerous to your hearing at appropriate levels. Although as any audio engineer will tell you, having the sound source that close to your ears for a long time can be a bit psychologically tiring. It's still best to take a break every so often.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by jchw on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:23AM (#20491429)
1. Does using headphones damage our hearing? I am aware that using certain kinds of open earphones are associated with hearing loss but my understanding was that this had more to do with how high the volume needs to be to drown out the noise. Proper IEMs and noise cancelling headphones should definitely not suffer from that issue.

2. 50% potential is a bold claim, but even if that were true it may still be economically wise to stick with the 50% penalty considering how expensive it would be to have a large number of employees with their own offices.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by humanrebar on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:27PM (#20492078)
Sometimes my day is wasted if I am working on a hard problem and I am at 75% mentally. Sometimes I am net negative (committing major bugs) and I would have been wiser to do something else entirely. If every day I am not at full capacity, there are entire problems I would therefore be wiser to leave alone. Productivity, at the detail level, is not a smooth curve.

I'll also point out that the folks advocating for "collaborative" offices generally make "bold claims" with little evidence (or even argument, at times) to substantiate.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by jchw on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:36PM (#20492133)
I do not think open-plan offices are good, I hate them. But, they have such an economical advantage that I'm not really surprised the trend continues despite the fact that everyone hates them. I think the real answer is that even a pretty enormous productivity drop will end up being worth it if you only care about the economics.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by humanrebar on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:46PM (#20492194)
> ...they have such an economical advantage...

The point is that this is not a well substantiated position. Even if it is clearly demonstrated in some anecdotal cases (sales, marketing, tech support), there is a wide variation in what the day-to-day looks like within software development organizations. Keeping in mind, especially, that an open workspace for a small shop of 10 engineers is completely different than an open workspace for a floor of 200 engineers. And even moreso if there is a mixture of engineering and non-engineering (management, client relations, sales, etc.) on the same floor.

There are enough ins and outs in how work actually gets done that I'm skeptical that we can categorically say much about open floor plans. I'm sure they are more efficient in many cases. I'm certainly not granting the implied "always" or "often enough to be granted" in "they have such an economical advantage".

My default take for such things is that companies should be hiring experts and then trusting their expert opinions. Otherwise, I'm not sure what's the purpose of spending millions on presumably wise and intelligent engineers.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by delinka on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:50AM (#20491544)
Active noise cancelling is bad. Headphones in general are not.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by japhyr on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:10AM (#20491627)
What makes you say noise cancelling headphones are bad? Are you talking about audio quality, or bad for your hearing?
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by wool_gather on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:18PM (#20492023)
No. You're going to have to expand on that. Active noise cancelling means there is less sound reaching your ears. It works by -- quite literally -- cancelling the sound waves.

Insert "now you're thinking" meme image:

Sound can't hurt your ears

If it doesn't exist

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by delinka on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:24PM (#20492053)
Active noise canceling adds sound pressure. It doesn’t stop outside sound, it adds an inverse sound to prevent your perception of sound.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by wool_gather on Sunday July 21, 2019 @01:44PM (#20492555)
You do not know of what you speak. It does not add sound pressure. Reducing sound pressure is the physical mechanism by which it operates. The inverse sound means that both sounds literally no longer exist.

> prevent your perception of sound.

No. It is destructively interfering with the wave. You don't perceive it because there is no more sound, not because of some perceptual trick.

(For any pedants looking on, I'm ignoring the fact that the cancellation may be imperfect. Unless there's actually constructive interference going on -- which is not what delinka is saying -- there is plain and simply less sound.)

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by jchw on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:30PM (#20492098)
Of course it will affect air pressure, but in theory it should be literally cancelling the sound waves. All the literature I can find at a cursory glance suggests ANC headphones are better for your hearing.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by sokoloff on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:40PM (#20492157)
ANC isn’t perfect. ANC leaves a noticeable low level of noise from imperfect sensing, processing, and cancellation. It’s quite easy to imagine that this could be detrimental (as compared to passive noise canceling).

It’s probably not as good for your hearing as an equivalent level of passive NR. When I fly long trips, I notice that my hearing is slightly impaired for a day or so. There could be a lot of confounding factors there, of course.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by wool_gather on Sunday July 21, 2019 @01:46PM (#20492565)
> leaves a noticeable low level of noise

That's not added sound, though, that's a portion of the original sound that just didn't get cancelled.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by sokoloff on Sunday July 21, 2019 @02:28PM (#20492848)
The likelihood that it’s 100.0% original sound and 0.0% imperfect opposing waves is extraordinarily low.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by danharaj on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:39AM (#20491261)
Get a pair of musician's earplugs. They're wonderful. You can layer them with closed back headphones to get very robust silent isolation at a reasonable price.

You can also get ear pieces molded by an audiologist for some high end earbuds that will block out sound almost completely even if you're not playing any sound.

Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by HarryHirsch on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:34PM (#20492119)
Wearing earplugs over long periods of time can give you nasty ear infections that are near-impossible to get rid of. Note: they are suggested not because of necessity, a noisy plant for example, they are suggested because of a management fad. Open offices are a choice, the noise level in a steelworking plant is not.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by danharaj on Sunday July 21, 2019 @02:17PM (#20492779)
I am aware. Take out your earplugs when you take the 5-10 minute break you should be taking regularly throughout the day anyway because sitting and staring at a screen for long periods of time is also deleterious to your health :shrug:.
Re:What I Know About Being Sick at Work (2018) by hdfbdtbcdg on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:05AM (#20491359)
I've got noise cancelling headphones. My hearing decline has now slowed. I would recommend this to anyone. But a private office would be better.