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Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by paxys on Saturday July 20, 2019 @10:23PM (#20489592)
Is there anything stopping ICE from requesting the details and locations of everyone who has signed up for the app? I'm sure there's one judge in the country willing to sign off on the order.
Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by microcolonel on Saturday July 20, 2019 @10:31PM (#20489627)
Probably that such an order could still be too broad; even though the two main purposes of such an app are lawbreaking (and counsel to marginally-valid residents) and maybe some strange form of voyeurism.
Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by geofft on Saturday July 20, 2019 @10:37PM (#20489651)
The app doesn't facilitate lawbreaking. The app facilitates notifying people that you are entering custody of law enforcement, for a law that has (perhaps) been broken in the past.

It's basically a warrant canary. The purpose of a warrant canary is not to refuse to comply with the law: on the contrary, it only communicates something nontrivial if you intend to comply with the law!

Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by rdtsc on Sunday July 21, 2019 @01:52AM (#20490154)
> The app doesn't facilitate lawbreaking.

I think we are supposed to read between the lines.

Of course, if they intend to be able to keep the app running they can't say "this is to notify others to avoid the area so they are not caught" and they have to present it as a "notify my lawyers" kind of app.

But then why erase the contacts when message is sent if it is to notify lawyers? Is the identity of the attorney secret, how are they supposed to file on behalf of the client?

The example of message on the front page also kind of indicates the usage:

> "This is Julia’s last known location. Do not go there now."

Why emphasize the last known location in the app, but then admonish recipients to not go there.

It might be better if it is re-framed as an emergency location group broadcast app without focusing on immigration and lawyers. Maybe re-use the wording that those "life alert" systems use and then spread the app name through the word of mouth or other channels.

Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by microcolonel on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:06PM (#20489741)
Yeah, I misread the copy initially maybe. It's meant to notify third parties that you have.. already been detained? Still seems like it's meant at least somewhat to help people evade lawful detention.

At best, though, it seems like it could aid a lawful purpose. I don't have a particular problem with it if that is even a fifth of the intended use case.

Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by saagarjha on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:43AM (#20489983)
It doesn’t help people evade detention at all.
Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by rdtsc on Sunday July 21, 2019 @01:56AM (#20490160)
> It doesn’t help people evade detention at all.

It doesn't help the person being detained, but it might help others.

It's right in the example message being sent (from the front page):

> "This is Julia’s last known location. Do not go there now."

The idea being that the person being detained, is being detained, but the can warn their friends and loved ones to stay away from the area so they are not caught as well.

Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by morpheuskafka on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:31AM (#20489949)
One issue is that not everyone who signs up may in fact be removable. Someone might sign up who has legal status but is still worried about being detained, for example.
Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by anonymousab on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:40AM (#20489978)
False positives probably aren't a blocking issue. American citizens are already picked up in some sweeps, and even mistakenly deported on some occasions.

That said, they could just seed their system with a ton of fake users to make it more useless for ICE purposes.

Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by sheenobu on Sunday July 21, 2019 @12:52AM (#20490016)
That's only really an issue for the courts because, in practice, everyone is removable in one form or another. Maybe you are "illegal" or maybe the president just inspires some nut to remove you from mortality with a not-so-coy "if you don't like it here, get out"
Re:Notifica – an app for if you're at risk of being detained... by akamel on Saturday July 20, 2019 @10:24PM (#20489598)
And that order would be easily challenged.