Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal

Re:Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than ... by Will_Parker on Friday July 19, 2019 @12:48PM (#20480271)

How do you decide the baseline emissions for the tax and tariffs, internationally? China emits about half the carbon as the USA, per capita. So is the USA willing to pay tax to China unidirectionally, until we get to their level? Does China need to keep their current per capita levels to avoid extra tariffs?

How, roughly, could this work politically at a global level, in a way that also works within the politics of each individual country?

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Re:Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than ... by bryanlarsen on Friday July 19, 2019 @02:35PM (#20481286)

There are no payments between countries. It's a tax and an import tariff on countries that don't have the tax (or an equivalent like tax and trade).

William Nordhaus has done the math, you can read his papers for more details and appropriate levels. Of course the fact that we didn't implement in 2015 when he did his calculations means that the appropriate levels are higher than they were then.

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Re:Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than ... by LoSboccacc on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:20PM (#20480612)

china measured emission are about half of usa measured emission. china non measured emissions are another story. soot is yet another story, because not all co2 is created equally efficiently.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-climatechange-insig...

oh, and there's all the other shit china does of course https://nationalpost.com/news/world/scientists-discover-chin...

but somehow people dodge the issue every time with 'but the usa per capita' as if these measurement are really comparable.

e: wow, struck a nerve there? sourced with articles, even. now let's wait for dang to come and say this is 'unsubstantive'

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Re:Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than ... by darkpuma on Friday July 19, 2019 @01:35PM (#20480753)

If that is true, then the situation seems intractable. The Chinese government won't want to pay for anything beyond it's official figures, but the rest of the world has no interest in those bogus figures being used.

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Re:Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than ... by amluto on Saturday July 20, 2019 @09:13AM (#20485541)

I think it’s possible to get a decent overall estimate of emissions in a given area by measuring local variations in CO2 levels.

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