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Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by godelski on Thursday July 18, 2019 @10:36AM (#20470230)
One people brush off and another people don't.

So if you want to teach people about how and why data is important it is easier to do so when using Russia an an example (assuming you're a Westerner). Most people still have a fair amount of trust in US companies and don't believe they would abuse their power. Call it tribalism it whatever, but that's how it is.

But to us in tech it's pretty obvious that even if Snapchat or Facebook never abused their power (lol, I know) that that kind of data is likely to end up in the hands of the Russians anyway. So it's just easier to talk about data when the big bad wolf abuses it. But I'd also use this opportunity to talk to others about the parallels that we have here and the responsibility of the tech giants.

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 18, 2019 @11:44AM (#20471003)
It's because Russia has been demonised in USA's propaganda over decades. They're selling trying to do the same with China now, except it's more for direct commercial reasons than to protect the ideal of Capitalism as it was before.

I grew up getting a lot of "evil commies" messages in US American media and I'm not even in USA (I'm from UK).

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by godelski on Thursday July 18, 2019 @01:57PM (#20472329)
I mean China does have connection camps and quite an Orwellian society.

Saying this doesn't mean I condone what the US is doing with Latin Americans right now, but the way you frame it suggests that China and Russia aren't doing things that many of us in the West find reprehensible. They are authoritarian regimes after all. (Again, that's not saying the West doesn't also do these things, but I do think there is a clear difference in degrees. I don't think my belief is uncommon either).

More importantly, the comment comes off like we shouldn't criticize them. Why not? (We should also criticize the West, because frankly that an essential part of democracy)

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by resters on Thursday July 18, 2019 @06:23PM (#20474522)
All governments use the same playbook, and one of the plays is concentration camps. The US media shows us the worst of China and the Chinese media shows the Chinese people the worst of the US.

Our greatest responsibility is our own nation. Those who try to engender righteous indignation in us about other nations are usually the ones who benefit most from our own worst deeds and practices.

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by rchaud on Thursday July 18, 2019 @02:17PM (#20472530)
> I grew up getting a lot of "evil commies" messages in US American media and I'm not even in USA (I'm from UK).

And even then, the propaganda can turn on a dime. Rambo III, where Stallone more or less single-handedly beats the Russians in Afghanistan, has this message in their closing credits:

> "This film is dedicated to the gallant mujahedeen of Afghanistan"

Blatant ignorance of the divisions within the militant groups fighting Russian presence, not to mention rivalries between clan leaders who actually lived in Afghanistan and Saudi-funded foreign fighters looking to establish a foothold in the country.

After 9/11, that message was removed from VHS and DVDs of the film. I remember seeing the TV syndicated version many years back that had the message intact.

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by eitland on Thursday July 18, 2019 @12:34PM (#20471489)
> I grew up getting a lot of "evil commies" messages in US American media and I'm not even in USA

There's more than one reason for that, here is one that might be easy to overlook when someone is critizising USA with good reason:

America is not perfect but as a citizen and compared to the bad old commies it was mostly really good.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago

Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by pbosko on Thursday July 18, 2019 @01:46PM (#20472228)
Re:FaceApp Now Owns Access to More Than 150M People's Faces ... by eitland on Thursday July 18, 2019 @01:59PM (#20472354)
> There is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Between this:

>> ... when someone is critizising USA with good reason:

and this:

>> ... but as a citizen and compared to the bad old commies it was mostly ...

I feel my comment is still pretty safe.

You see, there is often a reason I use all those weasel words; otherwise it would be hard to poknt out that something can be far from ideal and something else can still be really much worse.