Firefox to Warn When Saved Logins Are Found in Data Breaches

Re:Firefox to Warn When Saved Logins Are Found in Data Breaches by euroclydon on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:24PM (#20463086)

One thing HIBP does is match a password against a list of half a billion leaked passwords without regard for the username portion of the credentials. They do it because of the NIST guidance to compare credentials to known data leaks. The same NIST who's previous guidance was a complicated password entropy algorithm, which they later dropped.

I've always questioned the logic making 500,000,000 passwords off limits when no connection is made to the username. Work-factor hashing algorithms, rate limiting account locking and 2FA are supposed to protect user from brute force attacks. I think they can handle an attack based on 500 million possibilities.

Now, if they matched the username/password pair, that would be great.

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Re:Firefox to Warn When Saved Logins Are Found in Data Breaches by bradknowles on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @07:39PM (#20465176)

The thing is that all of the passwords in his database, are ones that the blackhats already know. As in, they not only have the hashes, but the full in-the-clear passwords. His sources for these lists are blackhats themselves, who happen to leak their copies of their password lists, one way or the other.

And all the major password cracking tools will typically try all the known bad passwords, before they try anything else. And they'll try all known likely variants, before making any potential brute-force attempts.

So, it doesn't matter if the password you want to use is on this list and you want to use it anyway, just because it has never been associated with your userid.

The simple fact that you're trying to use a known bad password that has ever been used before by anyone else, is enough to increase by many, many orders of magnitude the likelihood that someone will be able to crack your new favourite password.

Bad passwords are simply bad, regardless of who tries to use them. Some are worse than others, but they're all bad.

This aspect of HIBP helps you discover if any of your passwords have ever been cracked by anyone, and therefore now on the list of known bad passwords.

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Re:Firefox to Warn When Saved Logins Are Found in Data Breaches by tomschlick on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:37PM (#20463190)

The results show how often it was breached so you could always just blacklist passwords leaked more then 100 times or so. The really dangerous ones are the "common" one word passwords used hundreds of thousands of times.

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