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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by rmrfrmrf on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:20AM (#20460399)
That's nice and all, but the reality is that these multinational companies actively and willingly accept these terms (and more!) in order to exploit Chinese labor. The rhetoric about IP and censorship is all bark, no bite because the people at the top knew exactly what they signed up for.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by tmcronn on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:41AM (#20460666)
Companies foreign to China cooperate with the local government for another reason also: they want access to Chinese customers.

If Google were to refuse the Chinese terms of business, they would be barred from doing business with the largest population in the world. And the climate over there is that their government risks little political capital in banning non-compliant firms.

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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by ISL on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:16PM (#20461099)
Forgoing 18% of a market in order to uphold bedrock principles seems like a worthy trade.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by VRay on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:37PM (#20461334)
"You're fired" -The Board of Directors
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by ISL on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:40PM (#20461364)
"Fine by me" - ISL.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by hnarn on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:27AM (#20460484)
> these multinational companies actively and willingly accept these terms

That's why it needs to be worked on a political level, like the post you replied to stated.

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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by chillacy on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:53AM (#20460804)
It’s game theory, each company needs to stay ahead of the others and end up in a globally suboptimal state. One solution to the prisoners dilemma is “the don” who ensures nobody defects, aka the government.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by throwaway2048 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:07PM (#20460979)
aka if you defect the big boss shoots you in the head.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by TeMPOraL on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:37PM (#20461338)
Yes. Whether actual bullets are involved or means like imprisonment or fines, this literally is the solution to prisonner-dillemma's like problems, and in various forms exists everywhere and forms the underpinning of a civilized society.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by kamfc on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:15PM (#20461076)
Right. AFAIK, China is unlike Japan, UK, or USA. To operate with similar economic structure and policies will be suicide to a country as big as China where millions of people are still farmers and villagers and way under poverty level. We have to look at competition too. It seems China wants to develop a mature marketplace, so native companies have room to compete with the outside world. Else, there wouldn't be a Baidu, Youku, or JD.
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Re:Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China by ethbro on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:28AM (#20460502)
> these multinational companies actively and willingly accept these terms (and more!) in order to exploit Chinese labor

... under current international agreements and rules.

The agreements and rules change, the calculus changes. Companies optimize continuously for the current environment they find themselves in.

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