Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by tlarkworthy on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:18AM
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We have multi player poker breakthrough so it seems possible. I don't think planning is the core issue, I think that's solvable in time, it's the hardware and reliable general perception that is the blocker
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Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by rimliu on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:56AM
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In poker, the computer knows, that none of the players will suddenly start playing chess instead of poker.
On the road, the number of possible situations is way way way bigger.
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by sandworm101 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:15PM
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Not just bigger. Bigger can be fixed with more cpu time. It is a fundimentally different problem. Nobody has a good theoretical answer even with infinite cpu time.
I say this while on a car ferry. Getting on this boat required me to navigate several strange road markings and obey a half-dozen hand gestures from staff, including several that were contrary to the painted lines. No AI is even contemplating car ferries.
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:39PM
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It's not just car ferries. Accident scenes and construction zones sometimes require you to obey hand signals and ignore road markings.
There aren't many car ferries around where I live. But there's plenty of construction...
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by sandworm101 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:32PM
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Ever area had its little thing. They may be edge cases individually but edge cases, as a group, must be planned for.
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by ghaff on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:51PM
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Right. And, sure, that's an edge case for most people. But even if such edge cases only crop up every now and then, you're now at the difference between a reliable automated door-to-door system and one that can drive you around most of the time but every now and then forces a hopefully sober/licensed/competent driver to get behind the wheel to take some actions.
That's a huge difference. Maybe you can address it with some sort of remote OnStar-like system but now you're forcing a remote operator to jump into an unknown context and take actions that were too hard for the AI.
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by tlarkworthy on Saturday July 20, 2019 @06:58PM
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Just need to worry about car Dynamics and pedestrian locations. None of these things can teleport. The problem does have physics imposed limits.
Re:Despite High Hopes, Self-Driving Cars Are ‘Way in the Fut...
by yifanl on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:57PM
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Computer integration in poker works because we simultaneously upgraded the infrastructure to support computer players while upgrading the computer players.
I don't think we will ever change road infrastructure in the same manner on any appreciable scale. (Hell, there's a pothole in front of my street that's been there for 5 years).