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Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by ajross on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:02PM (#20444617)
> "I cannot put even a minimal effort in keeping an eye on my children, so I will blame someone else for it and make it their responsibility."

For centuries, it's been trivially possible for parents to manage their children's access to funds. Nineteenth century homesteaders could send their kids off to market with appropriate funds to buy what they needed. Now all of a sudden this doesn't work and kids by default have access to near infinite (at their scales) lines of credit because of internet purchasing.

Why is this burden suddenly on the parents? Why can't app vendors (and in particular their middlemen who manage the purchases) make even a minimal effort at not having this system be broken by default?

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by thaumasiotes on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:13PM (#20444730)
> Nineteenth century homesteaders could send their kids off to market with appropriate funds to buy what they needed. Now all of a sudden this doesn't work and kids by default have access to near infinite (at their scales) lines of credit because of internet purchasing.

Huh? The old model is working just as well as ever. Why would you give your kid your credit card? Have them make their internet purchases with a gift card, the non-insane way.

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by d1zzy on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:49PM (#20446358)
Almost all major credit cards have a system to generate virtual card numbers with dollar limits on them. Generate a virtual card number with some limit, give to the kid or configure it on their device. Every time you need to increase the limit you have to login on a site that only the parent has access to.
Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by filoleg on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:13PM (#20444732)
Is toggling a single simple menu setting before handing off your portable computer you use for managing your life to your child considered a legitimate burden?

>Why can't app vendors (and in particular their middlemen who manage the purchases) make even a minimal effort at not having this system be broken by default?

Apple put an effort into making it all locked behind a simple menu setting, which to me looks about as functional and non-broken as it can get. I don't know what more can one expect from a company, aside from being able to read the mind of whoever is using the device at the moment and automatically adjust permissions based on that.

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by BLKNSLVR on Monday July 15, 2019 @11:49PM (#20447329)
locked behind a simple menu setting

It's not simple, on iPad anyway. There are various layers of menus and options and some aren't as 'blanket' on/off as they appear

looks about as functional and non-broken as it can get

iPads, at least, can't even accurately track usage time in their own device. We've got time limits set on overall device usage time and specific app times, and it's woefully inaccurate, and that function is part of the same 'device control' app / settings area that looks after lock-down settings for in-app payments and new app installations etc.

That's why I've removed any credit card details from the Apple account.

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by jtnjns on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @12:31AM (#20447481)
Why can’t the parents set the account up with no credit card and top the account up with gift cards that you can buy online and in most supermarkets?

I set up my brothers’ account like this and he used it until he was around 14/15 and old enough to know the consequences of spending all your money. Then we linked it up to _his_ debit card. We allowed for something like £10 a month on the App Store, and about £100 a year on the Xbox store with the gift card method.

The limit of the budget taught him not to spend all his money at once or he would have none left. But a lot of parents seem to think these companies should do the parenting for them because they can’t be bothered.

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by dec0dedab0de on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:15PM (#20444751)
Kids can use gift cards, and if you do use a credit card for an account your kid (or spouse... or parent) is using then you can remove your card after the purchase.I've been doing it for years, on a few different platforms, with no issue.

That said I do wish there was an easier way to say "don't ever save my card info" It's clearly a dark pattern, and I routinely get furious about the loopholes I have to jump through .

Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by MisterBastahrd on Monday July 15, 2019 @04:19PM (#20444795)
Because they're making a lot of money with the way it is? Most people who catch their kid spending $100 on a game aren't going to try to contact customer service to get their money back, they're gonna scold the kid.
Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by kaokien on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:12PM (#20446464)
That is a horrible example, homesteaders give their children an appropriate amount to purchase goods, a better example of parents who fall victim to their children purchasing in app purchase would be a homesteader that gave their child access to their family fortune while believing a child could make a correct financial decision.
Re:'My son spent £3,160 in one game' by ajross on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:31AM (#20449829)
You whooshed on the point. The obvious way to get some lard from the market is to hand Eustice 40 cents and send her off. The obvious way to let Ernesto play a game is to hand him your phone (no, it's not the only way, but be real: it's the obvious first choice for nontechnical users).

What's happened is that the default mode for usage has changed from "Here's a dollar for candy" to "Here's access to the family fortune". And that's bad. And it's not the fault of Ernesto's parents, it's the fault of the technology vendors.