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Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by thom on Monday July 15, 2019 @06:40AM (#20439515)
They made laptops out of plastic that went yellow and fell apart when humans touched them under Jobs' watch. They pushed out plenty of thinner machines with fundametal thermal issues under Jobs' watch. They pushed out apps daubed in rich Corinthian leather under Jobs' watch.

This idea that somehow Steve Jobs was the only thing between Jony Ive and disaster has to stop. All design is hit and miss. Internal forces in large, complex organisations are always at odds with each other. There are plenty of examples of post Jobs' designs which are entirely pragmatic or just market driven, instead of being examples of someone's decadent taste.

Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by dctoedt on Monday July 15, 2019 @11:41AM (#20441872)
Nit: ON Jobs' watch is more accurate — it's not evident (although it certainly could be true) that the cited developments occurred under Jobs's watch, i.e., that he was in fact overseeing those developments. (The term "on X's watch" derives from a naval expression: Event Y happened while X was "on watch," i.e., it happened "on X's watch," where the term watch refers to a time period.)
Re:Jony Ive’s Mistakes: When Beautiful Design Is Bad Design by thom on Monday July 15, 2019 @12:20PM (#20442283)
Ta.