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Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by gpm on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:26PM (#20417115)
This is giving me bad ideas about making the UI (and only way to log in) be to send the password 1 character at a time as it's typed, and then using some form of ml to try and identify probable bots.

You'd probably mostly catch password managers and people copy-pasting passwords though. If you had per-user fingerprints also people typing on a new device...

Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by spydum on Thursday July 11, 2019 @08:46PM (#20417202)
I’m pretty sure that would be unmanageable, but love to see it tried.. Are you thinking of each character acting more like a number in a combination lock and needing to be provided to the app sequentially to be checked? I dont get how you distinguish between password managers and bots or API dictionary attacks on the same interface?
Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by jarfil on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:21PM (#20417579)
Isn't that essentially how the "I'm not a bot" captcha works though? And it seems to work pretty well.
Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by gruez on Thursday July 11, 2019 @10:47PM (#20417683)
>This is giving me bad ideas about making the UI (and only way to log in) be to send the password 1 character at a time as it's typed, and then using some form of ml to try and identify probable bots.

at that point you might as well outsource that sort of fingerprinting/behavior analysis to some service like recaptcha.

Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by gpm on Friday July 12, 2019 @01:02AM (#20418321)
I mean, I suppose my idea is basically "build a recaptcha competitor". Otoh in house recaptcha is "better" because

- Hackers haven't spent time breaking it

- It doesn't raise the same level of privacy concerns

- You control the UI (though recaptcha3 gives you that) and have greater insight into what the score means and why

Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by RandomInteger4 on Thursday July 11, 2019 @09:51PM (#20417459)
Sounds like a great way to create a huge security flaw for your users and their passwords, or a nifty method by which your attackers can DoS your site.

KISS.

Re:When it comes to composition and length, passwords mostly... by q_queue on Thursday July 11, 2019 @09:13PM (#20417316)
I think this is actually done, and I wish I could remember the godforsaken website I encountered it on.