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Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by cookiecaper on Sunday December 26, 2010 @01:07PM (#2040902)
Piracy is not theft. Theft requires that one is deprived of some tangible benefit. Downloads cannot be strictly correlated to lost sales, because many download to sample, or download things they wouldn't spend money on anyway.

This doesn't mean you have to agree with filesharing, or think it's a good thing, or participate in it, but calling it "theft" is scaremongering.

Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by Locke1689 on Monday December 27, 2010 @02:53AM (#2042037)
While you have a point, it's mostly irrelevant to this discussion. We could argue about the legal punishment for property theft versus copyright infringement too but that's not relevant either.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by haentz on Sunday December 26, 2010 @03:03PM (#2041077)
Piracy is also something completely different. It involves boats, killing, abducting and extorting people and gasp stealing stuff. So, go STFU with your apologetic nitpicking…
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by ekanes on Sunday December 26, 2010 @02:13PM (#2041004)
>> Piracy is not theft.

No, some piracy is not theft. And some is.

Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by gfodor on Sunday December 26, 2010 @02:29PM (#2041029)
You realize this semantic argument is old, tired, and does nothing to actually make people who pirate software look any better.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by godDLL on Sunday December 26, 2010 @05:42PM (#2041308)
A 'semantic argument' is a core dump where I come from. Which is synonymous with 'pay-cuts'.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by joe_the_user on Sunday December 26, 2010 @03:58PM (#2041160)
Piracy isn't theft in the sense of a depriving any one person of goods they would otherwise use.

Piracy is theft in the sense that it deprives a producer of the income or potential income that they would otherwise make from someone buying a good.

Piracy is like breaking into a warehouse full of unsold toys slated to be destroyed. It's against the law but it's hard to see it impacting a particular person negatively (not that it won't if no one buys toys the following Christmas).

It's conflict between those who believe digital or intellectual property opens up a whole different domain of "property" and those who believe the old rules should apply without change.

I would suggest those arguing for intellectual property not try to equate digital piracy with something like breaking into your neighbor's house and stealing their jewelry. It's a poor analogy. The argument that producers need and deserve to be paid probably carries more weight.

Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by gloob on Sunday December 26, 2010 @04:12PM (#2041177)
Piracy is theft in the sense that it deprives a producer of the income or potential income that they would otherwise make from someone buying a good.

So do successful competitors, boycotts, Internet FUD, and a whole slew of other things, in fairness.

It occurs to me that property (of any sort) is a metaphysical concept.

Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by chc on Monday December 27, 2010 @02:53PM (#2043446)
Frugality also fits the definition of "theft in the sense that it deprives a producer of the income or potential income that they would otherwise make from someone buying a good." If I were less austere, you could make a ton more money off me.

Also, property is not itself all that metaphysical, at least not if we accept the idea that things actually exist as we perceive them (which seems like the opposite of metaphysics). Some of the trappings we attach to it might be, but property is pretty fundamental to the idea of self. On a very basic level, my property is something I have.

Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by stevenp on Sunday December 26, 2010 @01:37PM (#2040946)
Does that mean if I steal a yacht that it's not theft because I wouldn't have bought one anyway? Your logic seems flawed to me.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by alextgordon on Sunday December 26, 2010 @01:41PM (#2040955)
A better analogy would be drawing up plans from his yacht and using them to build another yacht for yourself. This is illegal, but it would be silly to claim that it is "stealing" from the yacht manufacturer.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by ramidarigaz on Sunday December 26, 2010 @01:43PM (#2040958)
It's stealing because you're depriving someone of that yacht. It's not a lost sale because you wouldn't have bought one.
Re:Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ by ugh on Sunday December 26, 2010 @01:47PM (#2040966)
It’s not really important whether it’s ‘theft’ or not, that’s just not relevant to the question whether it is morally acceptable or not.