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Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by abathur on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @11:00AM (#20402568)
Tyranny might happen, but I'm more unnerved by the realization that it's probably easier (and more effective) to shift emissions by killing people than it is to change minds/politics/behavior.
Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by krageon on Friday July 12, 2019 @07:18AM (#20419822)
Where murder (on any scale) is an option, it's almost always the mechanically easiest option. The reason we don't do it (collectively) as often as might be practical is because we have collectively agreed that it's not a nice idea to do so. Given those things, I don't see what exactly unnerves you. Is it the realisation that it is indeed easier because you suspected it would be difficult? Is it unnerving because you are not used to thinking of it as a solution?
Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by abathur on Saturday July 13, 2019 @05:50PM (#20430376)
> because we have collectively agreed that it's not a nice idea to do so

How many war crimes and genocides have been perpetrated in the shadow of these polite collective agreements? In times of relative plenty and peace? How many governments are currently defying this norm? Over the last 100 years, did more humans personally intervene to stop genocide, say "someone should do something", or look the other way?

> I don't see what exactly unnerves you. Is it the realisation that it is indeed easier because you suspected it would be difficult? Is it unnerving because you are not used to thinking of it as a solution?

I'll admit, I'm a little flabbergasted at this. The context of the sub-thread is the concern that it'll take the force of tyranny to move humanity to "make a stand and change habits." I find it more unnerving (than tyranny) that the kinds of organizational units sufficiently motivated by climate-threats to become emissions-tyrants will find it much easier to kill other people than repress their own.

Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by primroot on Friday July 12, 2019 @11:36AM (#20421464)
Yes, sadly. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/31/european...

Let alone the fact that around 40% of the current population is sustained by synthetic fertilizers. The Haber-Bosch process represents 1% of the world's energy consumption.

Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by ozmodiar on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @11:18AM (#20402796)
Yes, I can’t help but feel we’ll get the tyranny because countries will just want to start machine gunning people trying to migrate somewhere safe, and not because of any extreme environmental controls.
Re:Breaching a “carbon threshold” could lead to mass extinction by primroot on Friday July 12, 2019 @11:39AM (#20421483)
Governments punishing people, who try to save the lives of those fleeing from climate meltdown, is the current state of things (in Italy and the US at least).