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Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @03:46AM (#20399946)
This is misleading.

If you follow the link to the actual research paper you find that it's 90% of PM10 and 85% of PM2.5

That is, not "emissions" in general but particle matter specifically.

This makes sense because modern cars have efficient engines and particle filters so that few particles are emitted from the combustion engine itself. The remaining sources are the tyres and the brakes.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by achow on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @03:54AM (#20399991)
Yes.

But doesn't the point still stays that contrary to the popular belief electric cars would not bring about much change?

Research paper: ..it could be concluded that the increased popularity of electric vehicles will likely not have a great effect on PM levels.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @04:06AM (#20400062)
Electric vehicles will bring about significant changes.

As said, and as your quote highlights, this focusses on particles. But the main emission of internal combustion engines is CO2, and other nasty stuff like CO, NOx, hydrocarbons, etc. These are eliminated by electric vehicles.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by sokoloff on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:42AM (#20400719)
They are moved by electric vehicles to some remote place (where they might also be more efficiently handled), but even as an electric car driver, I don’t think of them as eliminated.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @06:55AM (#20400770)
They are eliminated and electricity production does not have to produce any of them: The short term goal is total elimination across the whole chain.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by gavia1 on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @09:39AM (#20401813)
I think the parent was referring to the mining and manufacturing of lithion ion and other components that go into a car.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by sokoloff on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @09:47AM (#20401884)
That's a secondary effect. Primary effect I had in mind when commenting was the movement of the emissions from the local tailpipe to the electric plant (which is very far from 100% emission-free today).
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:28AM (#20402250)
As said this is so only on 'backwards' countries ;) and certainly it should not last.

Claiming that electric vehicles only move emissions to the electric plant is unfair at best.

Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by sokoloff on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:43AM (#20402424)
I think it's more accurate than claiming they are eliminated.
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by mytailorisrich on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @10:51AM (#20402490)
It's not but it helps some narratives...
Re:Cars took over because the legal system helped squeezed o... by sokoloff on Wednesday July 10, 2019 @01:07PM (#20403955)
OK, I'll play along. Suppose I drive my electric car an additional 450 miles. That will consume an extra ~100kWh of energy from the battery, which will require me to buy an extra 115kWh of energy from my electric utility, which will require them to generate (or procure) an additional 125kWh or so.

Are there any emissions associated with that additional 125kWh of consumed electricity? If so, where? If not, why not?