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Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by dorgo on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:41AM (#20369152)
> What I've learned from this is that if you Google for some popular product, the first 5 pages are going to be SEO-optimized shilling sites. Just skip to page 10.

Is a less SEO-optimized site less likely to be a scam?

Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by andreareina on Saturday July 06, 2019 @09:07AM (#20369463)
If shilling sites are more likely to be SEO-optimized, yes. One of the implications of Bayes' Theorem is that if observing A makes B more likely, then observing B also makes A more likely. A worked example:

Given:

P(shill) = P(!shill) = 0.5

P(optimized|shill) = 0.8

P(optimized|!shill) = 0.6

Then:

P(optimized) = P(shill) * P(optimized|shill) + P(!shill) * P(optimized|!shill) = 0.4 + 0.3 = 0.7

P(shill|optimized) = P(optimized|shill) * P(shill)/P(optimized) = 0.8 * 0.5/0.7 ≈ 0.57

P(shill|!optimized) = P(!optimized|shill) * P(shill)/P(!optimized) = 0.2 * 0.5/0.3 ≈ 0.33

Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by goldenkey on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:59AM (#20369435)
Yes, because knowledge isn't SEO-optimized by default. It takes time to do so. And time is money. And 99% of the time, those who are willing to spend a lot of time to get on the first page of Google are doing it to gain money, not to spread knowledge.
Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by i_cant_speel on Saturday July 06, 2019 @03:20PM (#20371340)
I don't disagree with your main point, but spreading knowledge and making money aren't mutually exclusive.
Re:VPN owners: 97 VPN products run by 23 companies by ptx on Saturday July 06, 2019 @02:56PM (#20371193)
> Yes, because knowledge isn't SEO-optimized by default.

Isn't it? I thought Google was trying to optimize their search engine for finding useful information, so if someone were to make an honest website that just tries to provide useful information (anachronistic as that may seem) wouldn't they hypothetically have the full manpower of Google's search team optimizing for finding it?