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Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by new_realist on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:52PM (#20365806)
What about debris from LEO collisions moving into higher orbits?
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by Scaevolus on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:36PM (#20366079)
A single impact can't put something into a higher circular orbit-- it can create an elliptical orbit with a higher apogee (max distance), but the correspondingly nearer perigee (closest approach) means that it experiences more atmospheric drag and falls out of orbit faster.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by Robotbeat on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:30PM (#20366943)
I thought so too, but apparently this is not universally true. Some of the debris can be put in an orbit with a longer lifetime than the original satellite. I got into a long twitter argument with experts in this field, and I was proven false: some of the debris can have longer orbital lifetime and go to higher orbit.

EDIT: Here: https://twitter.com/SpaceJosh/status/1119721780254371840

Always embarrassing to make a fool of myself on the Internet, but losing an argument IS a very effective way of learning.

Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by avar on Saturday July 06, 2019 @02:09AM (#20368231)
You said:

> That seems unlikely, as that requires like 11km/s which is more than the sum of the two velocities[...]

Isn't the first problem here that you're assuming a spherical cow in a vacuum physics problem? Two satellites colliding aren't two indivisible pebbles colliding.

They're going to pulverize on impact, and some of the now-expanding debris cloud might even contain combustibles the satellites were carrying.

The debris also won't only collide once, there'll be a series of rapidly occurring re-collisions. Some of those might impart extra velocity on some of the expanding debris.

Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by choonway on Saturday July 06, 2019 @03:22AM (#20368448)
Galilean cannon?
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by kupiakos on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:15PM (#20366320)
Granted, I don't know the math and this is intuition from Kerbal Space Program, but I'm not sure that's right. Wouldn't two objects colliding at 0° and 90° orbits result in a higher apoapsis and the same periapsis? Wouldn't it be equivalent to a normal impulse? Some pieces of one of the satellites would have more energy than they did before the impact.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by MPSimmons on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:57PM (#20366563)
You are correct. The result would be an elliptical orbit, though, not the circular orbit that the post you replied to mentioned.

I don't know if the person edited it after you replied, though.

Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by textfoo on Saturday July 06, 2019 @01:01AM (#20367989)
Kerbal Space Program taught me so much, I now realize. I was able to follow and visualize everything in this thread due to that videogame. Neat.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by saagarjha on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:02PM (#20366843)
I don't think the perigee needs to be lower? Consider a collision fragment that breaks off tangentially to the orbital path and moves faster than the speed needed to maintain a circular orbit: its new perigee should be the radius of the circular orbit, but the apogee will be higher.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by caymanjim on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:58PM (#20366218)
Higher orbits require higher velocities, which aren't going to be reached by collision debris.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by jcims on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:38PM (#20366753)
It’s not likely but definitely not impossible.

https://youtu.be/2UHS883_P60

Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by jcims on Sunday July 07, 2019 @01:27AM (#20373696)
For the sake of completeness, did a little digging, looks like it did happen in fact - https://celestrak.com/events/collision/
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by jessriedel on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:49PM (#20367017)
Collisions can absolutely eject debris at a higher velocity than either of the initial impactors.
Re:Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3k Internet Satellites by CPLX on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:53PM (#20365818)
Gravity is directional.