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Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by mrkurt on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:48PM (#20365777)
They also had a bunch of employee turnover and haven't done anything interesting with electric cars in ~6 years. The i3 was really good back then, boring now.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by all_blue_chucks on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:57PM (#20365842)
The i3 was really good in what way? Around here nobody owns one, and it seems BMW has been dumping them into the rental market with the "REACH NOW" program.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by flavoie on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:26PM (#20366012)
Because they never market it seriously. Where I live, it was a challenge to try one, even harder to find a salesman that can sell you the car. Nearly nobody knows about that car.

It's the only car in the industry that took seriously sustainability. (Sustainable textile, recycled material, end of life reusability and recycling. etc.)

The efficiency is excellent, about 5kwh less per 100km than a tesla. It drives great, it's powerful, fun to drive. I haven't found a i3 owner that didn't like his car yet.

With the range extender it removed range anxiety without add long recharge time on a trip. (granted with more frequent stop)

I bought a used one last week. Maybe it's the honey moon, but it's the best car I have ever own, by far.

The lack of leadership from top executive made the car unpopular, not the car itself. This also led to a lot of employee turnover because the lack of seriousness about the i series.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by windexh8er on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:20PM (#20366349)
The i3 may be a good car for you, but it's not an alternative to a person considering a 3 or 5 series. That's the miss. While the car may be great, it's target market is small. In the US the i3 has a very small set of buyers and those buyers, if not BMW fans, will likely buy a Model 3 or Chevy Volt before the BMW. Both cars are more bang for the buck and can handle small families better/cheaper. The i3, with the range extender, basically turns the car into a hybrid - which exemplifies BMWs miss on what people want in an EV. If I'm going to buy an EV I don't want all the maintenance hassle of dealing with IC.

There have been many cars in history that have been popular beyond what top leadership has said. The failure of the i3 isn't that. It's a car that has a very small target market. If that was their goal, that's fine. But if they thought it was going to sell well BMW dropped the ball.

Regardless, it's good for you since you likely got a great deal.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by cheerlessbog on Saturday July 06, 2019 @12:21AM (#20367833)
> with the range extender, basically turns the car into a hybrid

That's not fair since (unless you mod it) the REX only kicks in when you get to 6% battery. In the year I have been driving the i3 I have used less then a gallon of gas.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by windexh8er on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:27AM (#20368942)
What's not fair? That the range isn't that of it's EV peers and so instead of address this with longer range batteries BMW made a cognizant decision to give buyers the option of a hybrid? Think about your statement: "In the year I have been driving the i3 I have used less then a gallon of gas." That would terrify me more than dealing with electric range for extended trips from time to time. Why? Because gasoline has a shelf life and all IC components are generally built and expected to run on a frequent basis. If that engine truly didn't run for almost a year, and let's say that is normal for i3 owners, then BMW is going to have a large number of those "range extender" customers needing repair for failed injectors and/or fuel pumps. I don't know enough about the i3 but I'm guessing it runs by force over the year, even if not required, to overcome this? Even then you have the issue of stale, non-stabilized gas.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by cheerlessbog on Saturday July 06, 2019 @11:11AM (#20370051)
Yeah it runs for 10 minutes each month. The motor is from a BMW moped so the maintenance should be simpler than a regular car engine plus it is never heavily loaded - always runs at optimum RPM. I occasionally put in a 1/4 gallon to freshen it up.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by rhizome on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:31PM (#20367382)
The i3 isn't even in the same family as the 3 and even less the 5. Think more a Toyota C-HR, Mini Cooper, maybe Fiat 500.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by windexh8er on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:14AM (#20368893)
That's exactly my point.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by rhizome on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:01PM (#20371924)
Well but underlying your point was an assumption that the 3 and 5 competed against the i3 at all. It's not a "miss" that someone in the market for a pickup truck passes on the BMWs, either.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by turk73 on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:41PM (#20367200)
I kind of think BMW has generally lost its way. Their model line is bananas. They're great cars in some ways but damn the electronics are a pain in my ass! Like the battery registration--no reason why you can't add a menu that tells the computer "new battery installed" oh no, can't do that, have to have dealer-level software and equipment. I had to buy a code reader type tool for $150 that can do that instead of it just being a built-in feature. This is design for purely post sales profit margin enhancement.

Also, why do automakers keep taking the spare tires away? If you live near a city, well, great, but anyone who lives outside of "town" needs to be self-sufficient.

I appreciate a lot about the car, but its time is almost up. There are some screwy German things about it that just get more annoying as time goes by and lots of things broke before even 50K miles that never broke on Toyotas and Hondas I owned. BMW needs to go back to making cars, not computers on wheels.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by systemBuilder on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:24PM (#20366371)
I3 has always been a nutty car at an outrageous price ($50k) with a $20k discount if you were a savvy shopper, but still a stupid compliance car that uses motorcycle wheels and is too small and had deep subsidies to allow BMW to play in the USA market without disturbing their precious ICE car lines ...
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by perl4ever on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:04PM (#20366856)
I couldn't imagine buying one new, but there seem to be a fair number of used i3s that are 4-5 years old and well under $20K.
Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by baybal2 on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:18PM (#20365960)
i3 is very expensive, very sophisticatedly engineered, but also very shoddily engineered at the same time.

Despite using a full CFRP body, like that of supercars, mass savings were small.

It is also heavy because of tons of German luxury features that should have no place in an entry level vehicle.

It was also generically marketed on being "sporty" and "fun" to drive, while being one of the more morbid EV around, much like Chinese entry level EVs.

The design suffers from usage of enormous amount of unique, custom made parts and materials.

Basically it is an EV equivalent of Suzuki Mehran on performance and feel, but painted over to make it fit the "New Type Luxury EV" marketing concept.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by flavoie on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:28PM (#20366025)
Highly disagree about performance. I find it more fun to drive than my 2011 305Hp mustang.

No lag, always full torque.

Re:BMW CEO to quit after carmaker loses early lead in electrics by baybal2 on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:33PM (#20366056)
> No lag, always full torque.

Just like any EV, but without ludicrous acceleration of top tier EVs, or just that of average sport car. And despite being an RWD car, it turns and handles the road not much better than FWD econoboxes, which means no actual motorsport person was involved in its design.