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Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by harlanji on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:23AM (#20361356)
> but upon a few "investigations"

> Upon investigating him

Hella creepy. Glad you gave the business your all and learned valuable lessons.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kristopolous on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:38AM (#20361436)
When cleaning cars we found among other things: lots of drugs (heroine, meth, crack and supplies), stolen merchandise, weapons, a box of fake ids, etc. People would use stolen drivers licenses to sign up, stolen credit cards to pay, it happened frequently.

If someone constantly rented the car at night, didn't drive it, and was dodgy whenever they came to a lot, I guess you could say it's none of our business except that it's a $10,000 insurance liability along with a branding issue if someone is say doing hard drugs in our cars while people are walking by.

These quite rare investigations only happened after finding things. Sometimes cars would be out for 10+ rentals before arriving back for a cleaning. The frequent night renters would be on the previous renter lists multiple times after finding things so it was more to clear their name from suspicion than anything.

Honestly I don't really have a judgment on someone say, freebasing meth, that's their freedom. Just please not in our cars.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by cr0sh on Friday July 05, 2019 @01:49PM (#20364339)
> Honestly I don't really have a judgment on someone say, freebasing meth, that's their freedom.

If that were all they were doing, and staying inside, that'd be one thing - but it generally ends up going far beyond this, at least here in the United States.

Such people through those actions, of using major hard drugs, are generally at a point where they don't care what happens to them, or their bodies. They then eventually go out in the public; when they aren't bothering anybody, their antics can be entertaining at best, and downright tragic at worst.

When they do go to bother somebody - and they will, and do - they generally won't leave you alone. In some situations, they can get extremely violent. Also, regardless of whether they are violent or not, depending on their level of usage and other factors, they may literally look - and sometimes are - "the walking dead". Coughing, spitting, seeping and oozing open sores - this and more can be found among these poor souls. One hopes they can find help, but more often than not they refuse it when offered (some will even claim to be healthy and sound, despite the reality).

Eventually some turn to random violence or other crime, quite often breaking and entering locked vehicles and homes, stealing whatever isn't nailed down (and quite often stuff that seemingly is - not even rooftop mounted air conditioning units are safe).

I'm normally all for "freedom of choice" - that one's body is sacrosanct and should be up to the owner what can and should be done with it. But some of these drugs have shown that, when abused, they can lead to worse outcomes for the public at large. Part of it does have to do with the illegality of the drug, and it's availability. Maybe if such drugs were legal and free, and shelters or other places available to use of the drugs (with appropriate medical or other staff to ensure abuse doesn't occur, or that people can get help or treatment as needed or desired) - such outcomes would be different or non-existent.

As it is here in the United States, though, at a certain point users of these drugs become a problem for society and its safety at large; they should have freedom - but not the kind of freedom that allows harm to others.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by mc32 on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:09AM (#20361577)
I think the person you’re responding to imagined you went searching for them, found them in the car and left them alone. Whereas you meant examining car after it was returned.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kspp on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:24AM (#20361971)
>we saw books and papers on the dash, the dome lights on, you know, deep study
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by jtbayly on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:29AM (#20361676)
Pretty sure it was the former.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by andrei_says_ on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:35AM (#20362370)
> that’s their freedom

Also, addiction, and addiction, more than anything, is related to trauma.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by DavideNL on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:09AM (#20362606)
I don't know why you are being down-voted, i thought the same thing.

For example:

> listening to fiction books

Was this also a relevant part of the "privacy invasion to prevent abuse", to determine the genre of the book?

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kristopolous on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:40PM (#20364735)
No. It was just loud and clearly it was people telling stories. Maybe it was a play or some kind of theater.

That time we were looking for what was eventually a big fluffy not house trained dog that led to chronic professional cleaning costs.

Having big fluffy dogs taking liberties on our upholstery was something we couldn't afford to constantly clean and we had a no (shedding) pets policy and it's certainly not fair to do some blanket ban on a bunch of users because we couldn't find the actual dog.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by benj111 on Friday July 05, 2019 @07:52AM (#20361786)
Do/should you have any expectation of privacy in a car? Surely it depends on your location? If you're on you're own private land then you should expect privacy, in the middle of a car park, not so much.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by misnome on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:15AM (#20361912)
From the general public in the area, no.

But the car rental company to use GPS tracking to come make sure you are using the car in a way that they approve of, while you are paying them? Very creepy.

It also doesn't sound like it would have mattered if these people WERE parked up on their own driveway..

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by walshemj on Friday July 05, 2019 @09:09AM (#20362235)
But I suspect that the insurance doesn't cover using the vehicle as a gypsy cab.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kirubakaran on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:38AM (#20362830)
> using the vehicle as a gypsy cab

I'm sure you don't mean it like that, but fyi, "gypsy" is considered a racial slur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_taxicab_operation#cite...

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by walshemj on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:45PM (#20364780)
It is the term used for illegal off the book cabs, and Gypsy is actually used by some Romany organisations.

Shortening the name to(I wont repeat it) is a slur and possibly a slur depandant on how its used similar to the shortening of Pakistani is a slur but the full name isn't.

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kirubakaran on Friday July 05, 2019 @03:16PM (#20365039)
I understand what you mean, but please see the link I posted in the comment you're replying to. Consensus on Wikipedia says otherwise. Also, personally I think using the name of an ethnic group to mean an illegal activity is not good.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by benj111 on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:10AM (#20363077)
Is it?

They're Romany Gypsies? Sure this usage may be offensive, but certain usages of Jew are probably offensive.

Further, I assume pink gypsy potatoes and gypsy moth planes aren't racial slurs?

Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by TomMarius on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:23AM (#20363209)
I live in a country that is full of them, and yes, it is.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by sokoloff on Friday July 05, 2019 @11:34AM (#20363320)
The potatoes, the planes, or the people?
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by TomMarius on Friday July 05, 2019 @02:53PM (#20364838)
We don't have these other words in our language so I don't know
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by benj111 on Friday July 05, 2019 @03:58PM (#20365371)
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by saxonslav on Friday July 05, 2019 @10:56AM (#20362962)
I'd usually say jokingly "what are you gonna do, call the police?" but that's an actual issue these days so whatever
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by PavlovsCat on Friday July 05, 2019 @12:43PM (#20363873)
Why not just "thanks, I didn't know that" ?
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by JudgeWapner on Friday July 05, 2019 @12:48PM (#20363921)
It's not creepy at all to monitor the usage of their product. Even if they were on private property it's not an invasion of privacy to observe them from public property. What's creepy is people renting a vehicle for a usage other than getting from point A to B that also requires privacy.
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by seanmcdirmid on Friday July 05, 2019 @08:29AM (#20362004)
If they were renting a car there is a very high chance that they didn’t have their own driveway anyways (detached house ownership is highly correlated with car ownership).
Re:In Japan, a growing number of car-sharing users don’t ren... by kristopolous on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @02:27AM (#20457023)
Actually many did. Many of our users were living in households with more people than than cars.

We had a program that allowed them to end the ride on their driveway so long as it was open for the public to do the same.

We had hundreds of people opt in in the first week. Turned out to be a very popular program