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Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by kabwj on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:00AM (#20360690)
Exactly. In many implementations I’ve seen the user’s MAC address ends up getting exposed to the WAN. I suppose this is the wet dream of Google, and that’s why they want to push ipv6 adoption.
Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by sneak on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:09AM (#20360731)
Most systems use the privacy extensions that randomize addresses to prevent that.
Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by kabwj on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:41AM (#20360865)
Yes, I’m sure those iot devices will use infallible privacy extensions... Nah, they’ll probably expose their mac, which will make it trivial to scan for them.

Truth is, right now iot devices are protected by nat (your router) and maybe cgnat too (if your isp is good enough and provides that service). With ipv6 those devices will lie exposed to the wan. I hardly see how that’s an improvement.

Also don’t trust regular devices. Windows disabled privacy extensions because of a bug (not sure if it’s fixed already). https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/57... — I trust my router’s nat much more: it can’t be disabled because of a bug ;-)

Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by sneak on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:34AM (#20361120)
Some will, some won’t. Most will.

Some machines’ TCP stacks can be crashed with a single packet. Some IoT devices can be added to botnets. Some get patched.

I think you are blaming too much on ipv6, much of which exists today in the ipv4 world.

You can always set up your router to be a stateful v6 firewall and block wan-to-lan accesses you don’t like or want, much the same way NAT works today, on an outbound-before-inbound model.

Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by berti on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:06AM (#20360975)
> Truth is, right now iot devices are protected by nat (your router) and maybe cgnat too (if your isp is good enough and provides that service). With ipv6 those devices will lie exposed to the wan. I hardly see how that’s an improvement.

You're planning to just get rid of your firewall when you don't need it for NAT anymore?

Re:Aussie ISP gets eye-watering IPv4 bill, shifts to IPv6 by cm2187 on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:20AM (#20361048)
The problem is many of these IoT pierce holes in the firewall (upnp) to expose themselves to the WAN.