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Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by burgerbrain on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:08PM (#2036018)
I really can't wait until the phishers get their hands on this. It's going to be a gas.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by gjm11 on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:17PM (#2036043)
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by lwhi on Thursday December 23, 2010 @07:06PM (#2036249)
Maybe browser vendors could agree to render non-ASCII characters in a different colour?

That way the characters are respected, but the user is alerted if a very similar (non-ASCII) code has been used to dupe a user.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by JoachimSchipper on Friday December 24, 2010 @02:59AM (#2036836)
That'd be fine for Americans (or other people using ASCII) faced with a Russian а, but how about a Russian faced with an ASCII a? You could hardly flag every use of ASCII, and creating a table of which characters go together seems a a lot of work (and it would be hard to do properly).
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by lwhi on Friday December 24, 2010 @07:23AM (#2037152)
Would it really be a lot of work? I'd imagine the effort expended towards security in general exceeds what you're proposing.

EDIT: As I understand it, Cyrillic languages use code page 866 as an extension to ASCII http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_866. Is this correct?

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by JoachimSchipper on Friday December 24, 2010 @09:05AM (#2037254)
I'm sure that something would be extremely painful. Some sort-of-independent tribe/people that uses one or two letters that are "really part" of another language. In short, politics.

To the best of my knowledge, Cyrillic languages don't use the Roman script (except where letters appear to be similar). The ASCII subset of codepage 866 is for "cd C:\", not for Cyrillic.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by lwhi on Friday December 24, 2010 @09:24AM (#2037273)
I agree - it could be tricky politically, but I'm not sure if the alternative of representing the characters via punycode conversion is more culturally supportive / sympathetic?
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by kapranoff on Saturday December 25, 2010 @08:09AM (#2038892)
CP866 is a very old standard, it was used in pre-Windows times. There are at least 3 more standards to encode cyrillics in 8 bits. Today, most Cyrillic letters on the web are encoded in either UTF-8 or CP1251.

All of them define the whole alphabete, though, so even the letters that look similar to some latin letters are always encoded differently.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by burgerbrain on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:41PM (#2036090)
The solution to the known problem is more or less "don't use them" (ie, punycode them). It's still a pretty crap situation, it'd be nice to have but if we actually use them in a nice manner, it opens Pandora's Box.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by halfasleep on Friday December 24, 2010 @03:35AM (#2036878)
They show up properly for some TLDs, those that have a policy of not allowing confusing/pointless characters. Far as I can tell though, you can't register names like the following (due to TLD restrictions). http://☁→❄→☃→☀→☺→☂→☹→✝.org/
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by pjscott on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:03PM (#2036389)
In Chrome, the domain name in question shows up as:

http://xn--55gaaaaaa281gfaqg86dja792anqa.ws/

This is to prevent phishing. Hardly ideal, but it works.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by thought_alarm on Thursday December 23, 2010 @07:23PM (#2036269)
Back in the 80s one would be very excited to find a BBS that supported enhanced Apple IIe Mouse Text for drawing graphics, symbols, and menus at 1200 baud.

I suppose this is the Stanley Kubrick 2010 version of that.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by js2 on Thursday December 23, 2010 @08:06PM (#2036329)
Does anyone here remember the graphical BBS client that ran on the Apple II? It ran in hires mode. Wikipedia indicates it might have been called PixelTerm. Whatever it was called, I seem to recall it was written in assembly, as I remember printing out the source listing on my Epson MX100 and spreading all 50+ sheets out on the floor to learn assembly. Ah the days, and sorry for the tangent. :-)
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by davvid on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:24PM (#2036418)
On a related note, does anyone remember the graphical dos BBS client from the 90s called ripterm?

My first modem was 2400 baud so I'm a youngin' by some standards, but wow, seeing incremental graphic drawing was pretty cool back in the pre-AOL days. It was neater than progressive-jpeg because you'd watch the vector image get constructed on the fly: first the background outline, then a floodfill, then some more shapes, a few more flood fills, some detail lines, etc.

Before that I do remember using a modem in 3rd grade (circa 1988) and reading ascii-art emails from my principal. It was a green monochrome display so it was probably either ASCIIExpress or ProTerm, but I'm just guessing based on context.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by tptacek on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:29PM (#2036421)
I remember RIPscrip not getting much love on the BBS scene while ANSI got more and more elaborate; like a very juvenile microcosm of the war between bitmap and vector graphics.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by enneff on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:21PM (#2036486)
It might be because while RIP graphics were technically superior, they were just another lo fi graphics medium. PCs had better graphics in games etc, while ANSI art has an enduring oldschool quality about it. Also it degrades gracefully to monochrome ASCII. :-)
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by tptacek on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:42PM (#2036506)
High-end ANSI art did not degrade well, for what it's worth. Beyond that, towards the end of the trend, BBS banners were really only legible in TheDraw's high-res mode.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by gregpilling on Friday December 24, 2010 @12:11AM (#2036611)
if you are a youngin' at 2400 baud, what does that make me with my parallel port 14,400 that was bigger than the laptop that I am typing this on?
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by timcederman on Friday December 24, 2010 @04:08AM (#2036932)
RIP was quite widespread in NZ for some reason.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by m_myers on Thursday December 23, 2010 @04:47PM (#2035959)
Ha! Excellent. Although I might like to add a ♨ in there (technically the hot springs character, but it could also be melting snow).
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by dlsspy on Thursday December 23, 2010 @04:56PM (#2035988)
I wonder how many twitter clients are going to recognize that as a link: http://twitter.com/#!/dlsspy/status/18062117684903937

Twitter itself does, but tweetdeck does not.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by rythie on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:28PM (#2036068)
FriendBinder does, I remember fixing it for the http://tinyarro.ws link shortner
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by bradleyland on Thursday December 23, 2010 @07:10PM (#2036254)
I don't know about twitter clients, but Google Reader makes a mess out of it in the HN RSS feed.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by ubernostrum on Friday December 24, 2010 @06:34AM (#2037099)
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Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by mambodog on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:35PM (#2036077)
That is how the names are represented to the DNS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name#T...

I believe this is abstracted at the browser level.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by infinity on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:51PM (#2036109)
Twhirl does not display all the necessary characters, but posting the URL is possible. It did not convert into a clickable link on identi.ca.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by kinghajj on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:51PM (#2036448)
I don't get it. Could someone explain the story?
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by jawee on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:19PM (#2036548)
☁→❄→☃→☀→☺→☂→☹→✝

One cold night, when the temperature was just at that comfortable temperature below freezing, clouds began to form in the heavens. Before long, these clouds let forth a surplus of unique, sticky snowflakes. These snowflakes came to litter the ground. A child looked out and observed his frontyard which had been transformed into a winter wonderland. Rushing outside, he rolled the snow into 3 large orbs descending in size; thus he made the snow into the likeness of a man. The sun was shining warm as he worked. All was happy.

However, as the sun continued to come out, the falling snow quickly turned to rain. The rain came down upon the snow, and working with the sunlight, the snow quickly went away. As the snow disappeared, so too did the snowman. The snowman bore a slow death as he melted to the ground. Such sorrow was wrought, until the final death had at last approached.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by treitnauer on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:25PM (#2036552)
LOL, that's awesome :)
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by sliverstorm on Friday December 24, 2010 @07:42AM (#2037171)
Neat, but I can't help thinking "oh goodie, URL's I can't type..."

I mean, there's always Unicode tables/charts you can copy the symbol out of, or perhaps keystroke combinations, but Unicode has 65,533 characters.

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by CWIZO on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:37PM (#2036082)
Can somebody post a screen-shot for those of us who only see squares?
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by prs on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:50PM (#2036104)
http://ompldr.org/vNnA4bA - Screen-Shot of the linked Homepage

http://ompldr.org/vNnA4bw - Screenshot of HN

Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by burgerbrain on Thursday December 23, 2010 @05:45PM (#2036095)
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by palish on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:09PM (#2036469)
Why do you only see squares?
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by spydum on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:25PM (#2036554)
lack of international language support likely.. I see the same thing.
Re:The Sad Story Of The Unicode Snowman by mukyu on Friday December 24, 2010 @08:30AM (#2037211)
I was expecting a story about how/why it was introduced into Unicode (many parts of it have interesting stories). This is completely content-free.